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RichardM8

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Fortunately photographing is about images, not about gear, although for some that is a concept that proves difficult to embrace.

 

 

Ah yes of course. Let me try to find a more open door than this one. And have a look at your posts in the photo section... errr...

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ishkra

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Fortunately photographing is about images, not about gear, although for some that is a concept that proves difficult to embrace.

 

i think this is an absolute truth...but this place is called "Leica User Forum", so it's natural that people have the desire to share their views about leica photo equipment.

 

Anyway i realized that most of the photographers are first and foremost fetish...they love their leica or nikon cameras as if they were beautiful women :eek:

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MikeD700

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leicaimages.com

 

zeissimages.com

 

nikonimages.com

 

 

Try and take an unbiased peek and report back if you see any noticable and noteworthy difference (boring vs non-boring, that sort of stuff) between the various and many images.

 

Then go back and discuss the gear you have chosen and that is way better than the rest :rolleyes:

 

I understand the concept of a userforum; there are a lot of them out there. I just find the way other makes of gear are drawn into the discussions sometimes a bit childish (that's the justifying part); I haven't run into that in other userforums, however boring they might be. :-)

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WestMichigan

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Ola Mike,

I think it might serve to contemplate the communities of the forums/fora you're talking about before 'cursing' the debates and the misbegotten tales found on our little patch of the internet. :)

My First point would be that a NikCan Community by definition is populated by users of SLR cameras which are suitable for a breathtaking array of photographic usages. Most of our community is here to discuss Rangefinder Cameras. This filters out a huge cross-section of camera users right there, cuz RF Photography, Lauded it May Be, ain't exactly setting the Photographic World on Fire in terms of Numbers! Compounding that filtration is that there are only just so many Leica's that have ever been made. Let alone Digital Ones. NikCanTaxOlySony might sell more slr's some years than Operational Leica Bodies Exist (film & digital combined). Sprinkle on the price point of gaining entry to Leica Equipment (new or used) and There Just Plain Ain't All That Many Of Us :-).

Sociologically, becoming a Successful RF photographer (Film or Digital) is Utterly Different than becoming a Successful SLR Photographer. Success in this case being defined as routinely placing your point of focus where you intend it AND coming away with images with well chosen Shutter/Aperture/ISO combinations AND generating compositions and framing to ones liking. There is no getting around those barriers to becoming good with an RF camera. I would argue that (in general) those barriers are embraced by our community as the Benefit of choosing to shoot with RF equipment.

Well, I'm of the mind that the kind of person who would tend to lean toward the 'minimalism' and 'challenges' of our equipment would also be the person to whom small differences between lens A and lens B would be meaningful. Which would account for the 'weird' proliferation of discussing, describing, debating, and even 'denigrating', even the mundane minutae of our hardware population! I'm also of the mind that this is a 'feature' of any narrow subset community be it Audiophiles, Sports Car Afficionados, Long Distance Hikers, Mountain Climbers, etc etc etc.

Specific to the Woes, Trials, & Tribulations, of Digital M Ownership I would respond that it's the unfortunate price to be paid by owning the First Models of anything that's being invented. Transitioning the M body and Lenses to Digital is a Huge Engineering Challenge and Leica didn't start 'solving it' until what, a decade, after Nikon/Canon/Fuji/Kodak started 'solving' making SLR's Digital. It does Suck to pay the prices Leica's Command in the marketplace and have problems/issues/woes, but then again not a single person has a gun put to their head making them buy it. Paying 10,000 dollars for a 2mp Canon D2000 SLR was idiotic too in retrospect, but those who bought them did so by choice. If a Person wishes to shoot Leica RF digitally, then it's gonna cost 3-5k US for a used M8 or 7k for a new M9. I'm a disabled person and it takes quite a sacrifice to just shot photographs in general, the leap to M8 shooting will cost me a dear dear quantity of funds, but it will be a choice I make. A choice.

 

So, maybe it can be seen as 'justifying' ones equipment choices when threads and posts get all wonky or pithy arguing which Summicron is better than which Summicron! But in it's own weird way, those differences CAN be meaningful in certain situations. Then again, people in general can be really weird and argue over just plain silly things, so silly arguments will be found here just like anywhere on earth! Have you seen the terrible flame wars fanboys get into at the mere mention of Nikon, Canon, Pentax, Fuji, et al! Now those are Silly! :)

 

On that note: What Color Would You Like Your Sippy Cup!

 

Richard in Michigan

 

 

On other forums/fora posters don't feel the need to constantly justify their choice of equipment and defend that choice by putting down other choices. Maybe that makes them so boring, and the fact that the products are usually well made, so there aren't so many sob stories,
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Well at least you took the trouble! ;)

 

hard evidence of my effort is lacking I'm afraid:cool:

 

Anyway I recall from about ½ -1 year ago that there was a photostream with Leica and non-leica pics. It was not specified how many of each category (Leica and non-leica )and there were about 25 photos in all. I looked the pictures (from computer monitor) and decided Leica or "non-Leica" and got most of them right, or at least significantly more than statistics would allow. Maybe someone recalls which thread this was as I can't think of an obvious way to find it.

 

Bottom line - I am convinced for myself that Leica stuff (M2-M9) + M lenses has a unique signature. If this is a figment of my imagnation fine, I am still happy.

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MikeD700

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Ola Mike,

:)

 

On that note: What Color Would You Like Your Sippy Cup!

 

Richard in Michigan

 

That would be red Richard (or green, or blue...). Please see to it that postage and customs are paid adequatley in advance; it's such a bother having to pay for something you're supposed to receive as a gift.

 

I'm not cursing (I leave that to the believers and converted; no shortage of those); just observing and moderately pleased with the responses.

 

I will now put on a Gospel cd, to appease my soul.... :eek:

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hard evidence of my effort is lacking I'm afraid:cool:

 

Anyway I recall from about ½ -1 year ago that there was a photostream with Leica and non-leica pics. It was not specified how many of each category (Leica and non-leica )and there were about 25 photos in all. I looked the pictures (from computer monitor) and decided Leica or "non-Leica" and got most of them right, or at least significantly more than statistics would allow. Maybe someone recalls which thread this was as I can't think of an obvious way to find it.

 

Bottom line - I am convinced for myself that Leica stuff (M2-M9) + M lenses has a unique signature. If this is a figment of my imagnation fine, I am still happy.

 

What did I say? You went to great lengths to prove an irrelevant point (unless you wanted to justify something)... :D

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Assuming the OP is referring to the monitor, you are not alone and I don't use my m8.2 as a coffee coaster!

But, on the monitor screen there is a coffee coloured squarish ring which is visible in light images on my m8.2.

I would also like to know why, but I just ignore it now.

ann

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Assuming the OP is referring to the monitor, you are not alone and I don't use my m8.2 as a coffee coaster!

But, on the monitor screen there is a coffee coloured squarish ring which is visible in light images on my m8.2.

I would also like to know why, but I just ignore it now.

ann

 

 

"Leica stuff has a unique signature"......... :D

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If this is a figment of my imagnation fine, I am still happy.

 

Stephen, there is nothing wrong with something being a figment of your imagination. :) It's when you become a figment of somebody else's imagination that it is time to worry! :eek:

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Mike, doesn't that sort of prove my point? From Stephen's point of view anyway. :D

 

Anyway, now that it has been decided that the universe is flat, I want to fall over the edge.:)

 

 

I apologize Nicole; on re-reading my futile post post-posting I realised I made one of the most immense reasoning errors I could ever imagine making. Myself.

 

Can I in any way turn you back from the abyss? ;)

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WestMichigan

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Hi Stoxa,

There are two answers to 'what caused' your Coffee Rings - both equally accurate.

A) there was a flaw in the manufacture &/or engineering of the screen assembly.

B) M8 owners, et al, purchased and used owners repurchase the first digital rangefinder Leica ever produced and the first it ever designed for production.

 

One can but sigh and accept the vagaries and foibles inherent in 'firsts'. :(

Well, we can yell scream rage cry weep or rampage I guess, but ultimately that can only change things as well as sighing I'm guessing.:rolleyes:

 

Peace.

Richard in MIchigan

 

Assuming the OP is referring to the monitor, you are not alone and I don't use my m8.2 as a coffee coaster!

But, on the monitor screen there is a coffee coloured squarish ring which is visible in light images on my m8.2.

I would also like to know why, but I just ignore it now.

ann

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Hi Stoxa,

There are two answers to 'what caused' your Coffee Rings - both equally accurate.

A) there was a flaw in the manufacture &/or engineering of the screen assembly.

B) M8 owners, et al, purchased and used owners repurchase the first digital rangefinder Leica ever produced and the first it ever designed for production./QUOTE]

 

thanks richard, i'd put my money on A, as i bought my m8.2 new not long before the m9 came out.

 

 

"Leica stuff has a unique signature"./QUOTE]

 

mine certainly has, but i love it anyway :D

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Hi Stoxa,

There are two answers to 'what caused' your Coffee Rings - both equally accurate.

A) there was a flaw in the manufacture &/or engineering of the screen assembly.

B) M8 owners, et al, purchased and used owners repurchase the first digital rangefinder Leica ever produced and the first it ever designed for production./QUOTE]

 

thanks richard, i'd put my money on A, as i bought my m8.2 new not long before the m9 came out.

 

 

"Leica stuff has a unique signature"./QUOTE]

 

mine certainly has, but i love it anyway :D

 

C) Quit coffee. Drink (green of course) tea.

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