Improve sharpness with burst shooting?

[Guest badbob]

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The important thing is "the journey" (said in Bruce Lee accent)/quote]

 

Keenan Wayans to Steve James (Kung Fu Joe) in I'm Gonna Get You Sucka:

"Bruce Lee was your Kung Fu teacher?"

"No - acting."

[Guest badbob]

.... what is it what makes him him special... other than his reputation.... but then again how did he deserve that?

 

His unique photos are the special part. His reputation was decided by majority vote. His deservedness owes to all the hard work.

[Guest badbob]

But I agree the joy is in the journey.

 

It's what is in that journey that we don't usually see and therefore appreciate. And if you don't take photos and notes, you might not even remember that.

[Guest badbob]

Bill, first of all, I love that second photo... however, these photos are made in decent light. I thought the whole burst mode thing was talking about using it in low light situations at slow shutter speeds without a tripod?

 

Don't see where this was answered, but that's correct. With good light and fast shutter speeds, I go along with Bill's explanation, for scenes that change and require anticipation/timing. That said though, I have experienced images that were blurred slightly despite shutter speed at 1/250 or better and reasonable care in hand holding.

 

My mind isn't real clear on the difference between the film cameras I've used and the digital cameras I've used, but I suspect focus is nowhere near as reliable on an X1-type camera as on a camera that has true manual focus (not electronically coupled). And the same goes for handshake. Ignoring the age of the photographer, the blur that I would expect with 'x' number of shots with a good film camera will probably be less than with a comparable digital camera, due to various anomalies I have no knowledge of or control over, such as exactly when the camera decides to capture the actual image. Exactly when could vary from the button press moment slightly due to internal buffering or whatever.

[jsrockit]

...the blur that I would expect with 'x' number of shots with a good film camera will probably be less than with a comparable digital camera, due to various anomalies I have no knowledge of or control over, such as exactly when the camera decides to capture the actual image.

 

This would depend on what type of shutter is in each camera as well though...

[Nei1]

I heard that cartier-bresson called over ........."Hey you!,poor person,jump over this tiny little puddle for me,(a la pink panther ,((played by Bruce Lee))....).....I will give you 10 francs.....Bresson being very very rich.Of course,Cartier new that the water was very deep on the far side,,,how he laughed all the way home,he got his photograph and saved himself 10 francs because of course the poor person drowned.

[h00ligan]

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So, where's the skill in shooting 25 frames per second? Why not make it 50 or 100?

 

Set the camera to "full auto", point in the right direction and then when you get home, see what you've got.

 

In Bill's examples above, he will have known as his finger left the shutter button that the shot he wanted was on the film. "25 shot per second advocates" will not understand the excitement of seeing the one shot on the roll of negs or slide. Or even, dare I say it, on the screen on the back of the camera.

 

So, you feel the same about cropping correct? I mean, people should get the framing correct in the first place right?

[Guest badbob]

This would depend on what type of shutter is in each camera as well though...

 

Well, it amazes me how complicated things can get when they seem like simple technical matters. I'm not afraid of digicams in any particular respect, but I sure am wary of their quirks. You learn one camera's idiosyncrasies, and a different camera has a whole new set of them.

[phancj]

It's what is in that journey that we don't usually see and therefore appreciate. And if you don't take photos and notes, you might not even remember that.

 

Exactly, and these days having taken the photos we still have the exif data to remember shooting information so we can improve further. To the purist why not just remember the moment? Why rely on electronics? Technology is so empowering, and I am happy its going so fast forward. Can't wait for 20fps in a tiny body, open up worlds of opportunity for great shots!

[Guest stnami]

Camera companies upgrade their cameras………… too many people don’t upgrade their skills and think that technology and stuff like 20fps in a tiny body will make them better ............... dream on ... not that phancie will read this:p

[Nei1]

what is it what makes him him special... other than his reputation.... but then again how did he deserve that?

 

And what would HCB do with a 10 frame a second camera nowadays?

 

 

 

Two questions ,two considered answers that are not trying to be rude or smart

 

1, Honesty and simplicity,primarily honesty......the most difficult of all the good traits.

 

2,Hed give it to a child,I think that he would not consider it a serious adults tool.

[nigelb]

So, you feel the same about cropping correct? I mean, people should get the framing correct in the first place right?

 

Yep, I think its good practice to get it right in the first place. Cropping is throwing pixels away. Digilux 2 users don't crop!

[Nicoleica]

I use my right hand to shovel the food into my mouth and the left one has the napkin... what's a fork?

 

Whatever happened to the 'Spork'?

[phancj]

Two questions ,two considered answers that are not trying to be rude or smart

 

1, Honesty and simplicity,primarily honesty......the most difficult of all the good traits.

 

2,Hed give it to a child,I think that he would not consider it a serious adults tool.

 

I disagree on your second answer respectfully, an M represents the pinnacle of technological advancement at that time. A 10fps would represent the future, which someone so passionate about taking the perfect picture would appreciate. I think perhaps you have your own romanticized idea of HCM, I contend that he is extremely intelligent and will not hesitate to embrace and harness modern technology to produce even more stunning pictures....

 

All our discussion here is hypothetical and for amusement, so take it as such ok?

[Guest badbob]

Whatever happened to the 'Spork'?

 

Actually, Leica was presented with that design first, but they decided that less flexibility was better, to focus the user on the process of getting it right by careful and thoughtful composition and selection of each nibble. So they introduced the ferk, which has only one prong. Not to be confused with the knife which can cut and stab morsels, the ferk is carefully designed to optimise the cutting process, while minimizing the danger of lacerating the lip. Those lip cuts occur often with Canon and Nikon users, who simply can't appreciate the form and texture imparted to each morsel via the superior design of the ferk. Many people have complained that the ferk is priced twice as high as the typical fork, yet it has only a single prong. Leica responds that these users "just don't get it", and should probably stick to forks. I have a link to a wonderful book on this topic Seeing Form And Texture in Preparation for Ferking The Meal, but the link isn't working right now.

[Nei1]

Phancj..........HCB was quite a film maker so the thought process of taking a still image from a burst of "24" (!) frames must have occured to him and been rejected.I dont think he would have changed his mind just because the feature is on a "stills" camera which is fast becoming a video camera , the panorama mode on some cameras is taken from the video feed and possibly the burst mode as well,( am not sure about that).However Im sure he would have loved playing with the new technology,as we all do,but I think he would have quickly put it down as a photo taken with such a camera could never really be described as entirely yours,morally or physically.(as you say,I dont know this as I never met the man,but Im talking impressions,which is all any of us have.My hopefuly ,seen as, amusing post 146 was meant to show the antithesist view of the man to try and show how differently his pictures would have been regarded if he was a person who was not to be trusted)

 

 

All our discussion here is hypothetical and for amusement, 100%

[phancj]

Phancj..........HCB was quite a film maker so the thought process of taking a still image from a burst of "24" (!) frames must have occured to him and been rejected.I dont think he would have changed his mind just because the feature is on a "stills" camera which is fast becoming a video camera , the panorama mode on some cameras is taken from the video feed and possibly the burst mode as well,( am not sure about that).However Im sure he would have loved playing with the new technology,as we all do,but I think he would have quickly put it down as a photo taken with such a camera could never really be described as entirely yours,morally or physically.(as you say,I dont know this as I never met the man,but Im talking impressions,which is all any of us have.My hopefuly ,seen as, amusing post 146 was meant to show the antithesist view of the man to try and show how differently his pictures would have been regarded if he was a person who was not to be trusted)

 

 

All our discussion here is hypothetical and for amusement, 100%

 

 

I do not agree, there is a big difference between doing a burst of 10 shots say within a second vs taking a full length video and extracting images. In the former the burst mode is used to ensure a proper capture in less than ideal situations.

 

Quite frankly, I do not see burst mode, or even extraction from a full length video unethical or dishonest. I do not follow your reasoning there. Please clarify. All it means is taking a full length video and extracting images is done by someone who has maybe a lack of skill or he is videographer who wants some nice images on the side. The person taking photos within a second using burst mode is an intelligent individual who wants the job done and will not hesitate to embrace technology to broaden his/her creative options. There is a big difference. ALL other aspects remains similar, like the chosen angle, framing, settings, etc,etc the advantage being a burst of shots vs one within that window of opportunity.

 

I think no one is dishonest here, at least I hope not, not from using burst shots anyway.

[nigelb]

These hypothetical HCB discussions are a complete waste of time.

 

Fact is that some people will use burst mode for their reasons, some will refrain from using burst mode for their own different reasons, and never the twain shall meet. This does not constitute a discussion.

 

The person taking photos within a second using burst mode is an intelligent individual who wants the job done and will not hesitate to embrace technology to broaden his/her creative options.

 

Equally, the person not using burst mode is an intelligent individual who wants the job done and will use his/her skills in photography, anticipation and familiarity with the camera to broaden his/her creative options.

 

Stalemate!

[phancj]

These hypothetical HCB discussions are a complete waste of time.

 

Fact is that some people will use burst mode for their reasons, some will refrain from using burst mode for their own different reasons, and never the twain shall meet. This does not constitute a discussion.

 

 

 

Equally, the person not using burst mode is an intelligent individual who wants the job done and will use his/her skills in photography, anticipation and familiarity with the camera to broaden his/her creative options.

 

Stalemate!

 

So are many discussions in this forum, if thats how you put it.

 

I guess the only true way to verify then is for two using these 2 diverse methods and put them in an event at the same time, and see who gets the best shots under the same circumstances?

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[jaapv]

If it's not the leica way, or the company thinks it is not a right photographic technique to shoot multiple frames, why is it on the camera? That's my point. I don't think I deserve to be told to come off it. I don't really see any flaw in my logic, just a nostalgic mentality. Leica provides, on their compact camera not designed by panasonic, a burst mode. Right?

If it is not the Leica way, the company lost it quite some time ago - they have been producing rapid advance devices and motors since the early 1930ies.. Just think of the Leica Reporter - designed to burn through 250 film frames as fast as possible - There was a motor for it as well:rolleyes:

 

 

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