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h00ligan

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On paper this lens looks like a big win for mft, at least for me. I'm growing to love fast glass more and more. Cv seems a quality producer for the price point. For me, wanting af, the nex is out for now. The lenses suck. I agree withe the previous statement about a system and the weak link. Aside from the x1 the next best thing is mft for now. I realize that may change shortly.

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phancj

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On paper this lens looks like a big win for mft, at least for me. I'm growing to love fast glass more and more. Cv seems a quality producer for the price point. For me, wanting af, the nex is out for now. The lenses suck. I agree withe the previous statement about a system and the weak link. Aside from the x1 the next best thing is mft for now. I realize that may change shortly.

 

For mft things will change for sure whether new lenses are launched or not, due to the inherent limits of the sensor. FF and APS-Cs will be able to harness the resolving power of the great prime lenses better for sure. The nex is out for me now too(pending great lenses), so I am stuck with my DSLR and the X1, which I am happy with for now.

 

Thing is I never said mft are not good, only that the technology is stuck where it is, and it has limited future for sure. Who would have thought that we now carry 8 MP camera smartphones that is better than my desktop just barely a decade ago? Astounding!

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Yes, technology keeps evolving. Today's M4/3 (or mft) and even small sensor cameras outperform early DSLRs. Fact that more manufacturers are expanding lens range is surely a vote of confidence in this format.

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phan ........ time for you to grow up and hit the reality button canon employs about 20 odd thousand personal Panasonic sit well over 300,000 thousand plus. revenue difference chalk and cheese. No use responding to you as your reasoning is in the dream world you live in.

 

I;m still laughing over your comments such as but I see your love for 4/3system and your sexual attraction to sony

 

David I am sure that Panasonic engineers did not go the 4/3 way in order to lose out in the marketplace to samsung and sony.

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Precisely, technology jumps forward at such an astonishing speed, and current mft are too large, and sensors too small.

 

How can the sensor on a mft camera be too small - for an mft camera? :confused:

 

The sensor IS the format.

 

It's like saying that the film size of a piece of 35mm film is too small. That's true if you want a 4x5 camera, but not if you want a 35mm one.

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phan ........ time for you to grow up and hit the reality button canon employs about 20 odd thousand personal Panasonic sit well over 300,000 thousand plus. revenue difference chalk and cheese. No use responding to you as your reasoning is in the dream world you live in.

 

I;m still laughing over your comments such as but I see your love for 4/3system and your sexual attraction to sony

 

David I am sure that Panasonic engineers did not go the 4/3 way in order to lose out in the marketplace to samsung and sony.

 

I think you with the who can buy over who is juvenile, but anyway...

 

Sorry, but I think you lost me there, I do not for one moment see any future in mft, and believe and own the X1, And your constant aggro and unwarranted remarks speaks a lot about your character and upbringing, go get some help! I am done with you crap, from your comments one wonders your intentions in this or other forum, dunno whether to stir up s^%t or whatever but I leave you to your sad and unhappy existence. I tried to endure your personal remarks when all we are talking about are cameras. Your delusion of superiority is stupid, anyway, to each his own.

 

I do not share a sexual attraction to sony either, and do not or wish to own any of their current lineup. That is also apparent in this forum I am saying in my opinion the mft has to be shrunk in order to compete more effectively as it is still too big for some people given its sensor size. If they shrink it to fit a shirt pocket, for example, it will be tremendously exciting and useful.

 

How can the sensor on a mft camera be too small - for an mft camera? :confused:

 

The sensor IS the format.

 

It's like saying that the film size of a piece of 35mm film is too small. That's true if you want a 4x5 camera, but not if you want a 35mm one.

 

Okay, maybe my words are too brief and hence the miscommunication. It comes with fast reply in between work. What I mean to say is mft sensors having smaller sensors has a limited future given its limit on IQ due to the smaller sensor size, as compared to say APS. As APS compact cams mature, it will have a drastic impact on mft cams for sure, possibly killing it. Only way out for manufacturers of this format is to price it downwards then or to abandon the format for larger sensors, or to shrink the physical size of the camera so the extreme portability becomes the draw just like the X1 for its sensor.

That is of course the way I am seeing it.

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I do not share a sexual attraction to sony either
oh yes you do you wrote

unless they can squeeze it into a P&S body like those slim sexy sony machines
anyway enough from me it's all about you .............. signing off from the thread laughing:D:D:D:D
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What I mean to say is mft sensors having smaller sensors has a limited future given its limit on IQ due to the smaller sensor size, as compared to say APS

 

In _practice_ is there really much difference between an m43 2x crop sensor and an APS 1.6x crop sensor as far as the final image is concerned?

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oh yes you do you wrote

anyway enough from me it's all about you ...............laughing again

 

It's a light-hearted remark to say mft will be appealing to buyers if the body can be shrunk further possibly much further for extreme portability, not as a sexual remark, but you with your pervasion may see it your own way.

 

THis is a forum for healthy debate and discussion on cameras, not for personal insults or aggression. You need anger management pal.

 

I really hope we can have healthy friendly debate and enjoy chit chat and share photos over this great site, but with the likes of you detractors this can be a bit disappointing.

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In _practice_ is there really much difference between an m43 2x crop sensor and an APS 1.6x crop sensor as far as the final image is concerned?

 

I think it is 1.5X (APS-C) vs 2X, right?

 

Obviously so, but the 4/3 is more mature so the sensor may be harnessed closer to the max maybe but the APS compacts are still in infancy. The X1 and Nex has already proven that with good lenses the APS compacts can be a lot better than 4/3, and as it matures the difference will become more apparent. Not to mention advantage on wider lenses, noise, bokeh, etc....It is like with APS vs FF, or FF vs MF.

 

There is no doubt that with advancement to the limit of the sensor, larger sensor produce better images, all things being equal.

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You need anger management pal

 

I've never seen Imants as being an 'angry' person. We've had a few falling outs over the years, but I tend to think that Imants sees himself as a pin that's looking for balloons to pop.

 

Overall he provokes thought, and that's a good thing IMHO, even if he doesn't always do it in a polite way.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm sure there is a lot of quality, and technological advances, that can be squeezed out of the u 4/3 format... I mean, even those tiny sensors in P&S and cell phone cams get better every year... not bigger, just better.

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We compare and judge new cams like NEX or even X1 with our experience in mind, coming from RFs or SLRs.

But f.e. Sony doesn't want to cannibalize their Dslr sales by something which has a APS-C sensor etc. so the UI is like P&S. This is ok for younger folks coming from a Nokia portable. These people heard about reflex with mirror etc. from their grandparents. They have totally different behavior while shooting compare to us old farts, right?

 

Therefore it's wrong to take the size of a sensor as a ruler for what kind of shooting we might use it compare to a D300 or M8.

 

The only brands which offer cams with serious electronic viewfinder is Olympus and Pana. And?

They have minor marketshare with their DSLR or just like zero.

The third maker with an EVF is Ricoh, sitting in the same boat as the two.

 

When the 'big' 4/3 cameras had been introduced including Leica Digi3 I didn't accept a big body containing a small(er) sensor, not a good ratio of volume ./. surface of sensor. But this I gave up as I got more familiar with my Pen. Finding the menues traditionally ugly from Oly (Oly 5050 Wide), the Pen offers direct access to important settings. Fine.

 

For me a EP2 is the 'Modern Times M' - smaller capture surface, intelligent features in a small body wearing very good glass (Leica) for the long end and all the stuff in MF sitting on the shelf. Stabilized, of course.....:)

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm sure there is a lot of quality, and technological advances, that can be squeezed out of the u 4/3 format... I mean, even those tiny sensors in P&S and cell phone cams get better every year... not bigger, just better.

 

Yes, definitely, but comparing a larger and a smaller sensor with both close to being maxed out obviously the larger wins, thats all I am saying. The mft will be around for a while for this reason, as it is very developed for its class but with advsancement of APS-C compacts the difference in IQ will become apparent.

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Yes, definitely, but comparing a larger and a smaller sensor with both close to being maxed out obviously the larger wins, thats all I am saying. The mft will be around for a while for this reason, as it is very developed for its class but with advsancement of APS-C compacts the difference in IQ will become apparent.

 

What makes you think they are maxed out? Each year, each sensor size gets better high ISO quality... what makes you think u 4/3 is maxed?

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