rcoles Posted September 27, 2010 Share #361 Posted September 27, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) What about a video of the meeting? Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 27, 2010 Posted September 27, 2010 Hi rcoles, Take a look here photokina - Your Questions To Leica. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
bill Posted September 27, 2010 Share #362 Posted September 27, 2010 Hang on, I shall jump in my TARDIS... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
veraikon Posted September 27, 2010 Share #363 Posted September 27, 2010 TARDIS... @bob : as far as I understand Andreas there is no video http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/forumstreffen/137125-photokina-25-9-leica-forum-meets.html#post1463347 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted September 27, 2010 Share #364 Posted September 27, 2010 I have seen somewhere that there is a video of the meeting on YouTube. Worth a search. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted September 27, 2010 Share #365 Posted September 27, 2010 Dumba-de-dum, Dumba-de-dum, Dumba-de-dum, Diddley-dum Dumba-de-dum, Dumba-de-dum, Dumba-de-dum, Diddley-dum Dumba-de-dum, Dumba-de-dum, Dumba-de-dum, Diddley-dum Dumba-de-dum, Dumba-de-dum, Dumba-de-dum, Diddley-dum Wah - wah - aaaaaaaahhhh! (Theme from Doctor Who.) Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted September 27, 2010 Share #366 Posted September 27, 2010 I have seen somewhere that there is a video on YouTube. Worth a search. Here ya go: Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phalter Posted September 27, 2010 Share #367 Posted September 27, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Here ya go: Pete. So, according to Stefan Daniel, NO plans to come up with an R-solution. They are, he says, a small company and will concentrate on the M-, S-, and X-line. And they kept silent all these months. Or shall we give them the benefit of the doubt and say, maybe they decided a few days ago? It's hugely disappointing anyway. And they don't apologize for keeping us dangling for more than two years, first with the plans for an R-10, then with the "R-solution." All we learn is that Mr. Kaufmann is in the same boat because he, too, has a cupboard full of R-lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted September 27, 2010 Share #368 Posted September 27, 2010 So, according to Stefan Daniel, NO plans to come up with an R-solution. They are, he says, a small company and will concentrate on the M-, S-, and X-line. And they kept silent all these months. Or shall we give them the benefit of the doubt and say, maybe they decided a few days ago? Leica have said for a long time that they would not be manufacturing a digital R body. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted September 27, 2010 Share #369 Posted September 27, 2010 They said that when they announced that there would be no R10. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpattison Posted September 27, 2010 Share #370 Posted September 27, 2010 and what is wrong with film anyway? John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted September 27, 2010 Share #371 Posted September 27, 2010 and what is wrong with film anyway? Apparently it's gone the way of Zeppelins and 8 track tapes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo.Battista Posted September 27, 2010 Share #372 Posted September 27, 2010 When will the summary of the forum meeting with Leica be published on the forum itself? Just not to check every hour for it... Paolo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted September 27, 2010 Share #373 Posted September 27, 2010 I'm sure you'll hear about it when it's posted. Summarising a 2 hour meeting, and checking the text, isn't something that can be done in an instant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phalter Posted September 27, 2010 Share #374 Posted September 27, 2010 Leica have said for a long time that they would not be manufacturing a digital R body. They said there would't be a DSLR but a solution that would allow R users to use their lenses on a digital camera. What's this if not a digital R body? No need to quibble with words, digital EVIL cameras with an R bayonet are also "digital R bodies," aren't they? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted September 27, 2010 Share #375 Posted September 27, 2010 Whatever this unknown camera is, it won't be made by Leica. So, Leica are reliant on a third party to deliver this "solution" on their behalf. If they can't find a third party to convince it would be a good idea, then it may never happen. However, I can almost guarantee that if by some miracle they do find a way to get someone else to deliver a "solution", it won't be "good enough". The only "good enough" solution would be a dSLR, with an optical viewfinder at least as good as an R8/9, with a 2012-spec full frame chip - in other words an R10. To be honest, IMHO, they should have just killed off the R line once and for all when they announced the end of the R10 project. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted September 27, 2010 Share #376 Posted September 27, 2010 Whatever this unknown camera is, it won't be made by Leica. So, Leica are reliant on a third party to deliver this "solution" on their behalf. If they can't find a third party to convince it would be a good idea, then it may never happen. There is a different possibility: an evolution of the M system towards a EVIL system with M mount. Then, R lenses could be used with an adapter. I am not pointing to a replacement of the classical M cameras, but to a split of the M system in two different lines (sharing the mount): the classical (rangefinder based) and the electronic (EVF based, and compatible with R and M lenses). Stefan Daniel knows, and he says it, the mirroless cameras will eat the DSLR cameras, from the bottom to the top of the lines. But he (correctly) says something like this: "we already have a mirrorless camera, the M camera!". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicoleica Posted September 27, 2010 Share #377 Posted September 27, 2010 Hang on, I shall jump in my TARDIS... Is the M10 going to have a TARDIS chip in it? It'll need one in order to accommodate all of the wished-for goodies into the same external shell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooky Posted September 27, 2010 Share #378 Posted September 27, 2010 So, according to Stefan Daniel, NO plans to come up with an R-solution. They are, he says, a small company and will concentrate on the M-, S-, and X-line. And they kept silent all these months. Or shall we give them the benefit of the doubt and say, maybe they decided a few days ago? It's hugely disappointing anyway. And they don't apologize for keeping us dangling for more than two years, first with the plans for an R-10, then with the "R-solution." All we learn is that Mr. Kaufmann is in the same boat because he, too, has a cupboard full of R-lenses. Well here we go! If I had to believe something from what they said, and all the answers in the video were very 'stick to the question' oriented, then Daniels answered the question about Leica coming out with a camera like a C 1Dmk4 or N D700. The question was NOT about an R lens solution. I want an R solution as much as anyone, but maybe we (and me) can realize that after last week when Leica had all the chances to satisfy us with just a wee-little comment, that from what we have heard so far from Saturdays meeting is that they will be using VERY measured comments about Leica product development and that the R solution is not dead - but may not be here for a (long?) while. As we know more about the meeting we'll make more sense of it. There just isn't much room 'between the lines' to interpret anything differently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Mitchum Posted September 27, 2010 Share #379 Posted September 27, 2010 It seems to be an attrition tactic. They don't want to do an R-solution, clearly, so they will say nothing and after a while enough R users will have given up and moved on and they could say there is no longer a big enough market to warrant doing it any more. By not saying something now they can later say "We planned on doing it but..." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posto 6 Posted September 27, 2010 Share #380 Posted September 27, 2010 Eventually, with miniaturization and further development, all R and probably M Leicas will be able to use a DMR/digital back solution, replacing the rear door/panel with a unit containing the requisite chips, sensors, LCDs, etc. Such units will probably become commoditized (there is quite a big market out there), with each manufacturer customizing them for their own camera range. This trend will be particularly reinforced as the mass-market demand for stand-alone cameras shrinks (particularly due to mobile phones, PDA's etc), and cameras begin to be seen as more specialized artistic-expression instruments with a higher cachet level than currently is the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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