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Dumba-de-dum, Dumba-de-dum, Dumba-de-dum, Diddley-dum

Dumba-de-dum, Dumba-de-dum, Dumba-de-dum, Diddley-dum

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Here ya go:

 

Pete.

 

So, according to Stefan Daniel, NO plans to come up with an R-solution. They are, he says, a small company and will concentrate on the M-, S-, and X-line. And they kept silent all these months. Or shall we give them the benefit of the doubt and say, maybe they decided a few days ago?

 

It's hugely disappointing anyway. And they don't apologize for keeping us dangling for more than two years, first with the plans for an R-10, then with the "R-solution." All we learn is that Mr. Kaufmann is in the same boat because he, too, has a cupboard full of R-lenses.

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So, according to Stefan Daniel, NO plans to come up with an R-solution. They are, he says, a small company and will concentrate on the M-, S-, and X-line. And they kept silent all these months. Or shall we give them the benefit of the doubt and say, maybe they decided a few days ago?

 

Leica have said for a long time that they would not be manufacturing a digital R body.

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Leica have said for a long time that they would not be manufacturing a digital R body.

 

They said there would't be a DSLR but a solution that would allow R users to use their lenses on a digital camera. What's this if not a digital R body? No need to quibble with words, digital EVIL cameras with an R bayonet are also "digital R bodies," aren't they?

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Whatever this unknown camera is, it won't be made by Leica. So, Leica are reliant on a third party to deliver this "solution" on their behalf. If they can't find a third party to convince it would be a good idea, then it may never happen.

 

However, I can almost guarantee that if by some miracle they do find a way to get someone else to deliver a "solution", it won't be "good enough". The only "good enough" solution would be a dSLR, with an optical viewfinder at least as good as an R8/9, with a 2012-spec full frame chip - in other words an R10.

 

To be honest, IMHO, they should have just killed off the R line once and for all when they announced the end of the R10 project.

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Whatever this unknown camera is, it won't be made by Leica. So, Leica are reliant on a third party to deliver this "solution" on their behalf. If they can't find a third party to convince it would be a good idea, then it may never happen.

 

There is a different possibility: an evolution of the M system towards a EVIL system with M mount. Then, R lenses could be used with an adapter. I am not pointing to a replacement of the classical M cameras, but to a split of the M system in two different lines (sharing the mount): the classical (rangefinder based) and the electronic (EVF based, and compatible with R and M lenses).

 

Stefan Daniel knows, and he says it, the mirroless cameras will eat the DSLR cameras, from the bottom to the top of the lines. But he (correctly) says something like this: "we already have a mirrorless camera, the M camera!".

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So, according to Stefan Daniel, NO plans to come up with an R-solution. They are, he says, a small company and will concentrate on the M-, S-, and X-line. And they kept silent all these months. Or shall we give them the benefit of the doubt and say, maybe they decided a few days ago?

 

It's hugely disappointing anyway. And they don't apologize for keeping us dangling for more than two years, first with the plans for an R-10, then with the "R-solution." All we learn is that Mr. Kaufmann is in the same boat because he, too, has a cupboard full of R-lenses.

 

Well here we go! If I had to believe something from what they said, and all the answers in the video were very 'stick to the question' oriented, then Daniels answered the question about Leica coming out with a camera like a C 1Dmk4 or N D700. The question was NOT about an R lens solution.

 

I want an R solution as much as anyone, but maybe we (and me) can realize that after last week when Leica had all the chances to satisfy us with just a wee-little comment, that from what we have heard so far from Saturdays meeting is that they will be using VERY measured comments about Leica product development and that the R solution is not dead - but may not be here for a (long?) while. As we know more about the meeting we'll make more sense of it. There just isn't much room 'between the lines' to interpret anything differently.

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It seems to be an attrition tactic. They don't want to do an R-solution, clearly, so they will say nothing and after a while enough R users will have given up and moved on and they could say there is no longer a big enough market to warrant doing it any more. By not saying something now they can later say "We planned on doing it but..." :D

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Eventually, with miniaturization and further development, all R and probably M Leicas will be able to use a DMR/digital back solution, replacing the rear door/panel with a unit containing the requisite chips, sensors, LCDs, etc. Such units will probably become commoditized (there is quite a big market out there), with each manufacturer customizing them for their own camera range.

 

This trend will be particularly reinforced as the mass-market demand for stand-alone cameras shrinks (particularly due to mobile phones, PDA's etc), and cameras begin to be seen as more specialized artistic-expression instruments with a higher cachet level than currently is the case.

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