Xmas Posted November 21, 2010 Share #281 Posted November 21, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Better to say that you can vary the EI (exposure index): the ISO speed doesn't change. OTOH digital sensors seem to have a "base ISO" which is increased by turning up the gain in the electronics - so maybe there too we should talk about ISO and EI. Hi You are correct, but if you have a M6 or M7 you need to twiddle the ISO dial just like it was a Drfdr the M8 people should have understood? The XP2 package says 200- 800 ISO.... I dont bother with the M2 film reminder though. Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AlanG Posted November 22, 2010 Share #282 Posted November 22, 2010 I had two film related experiences today. An art director friend contacted me that he had this big piece of film that was a copy of one of his step father's paintings. He wanted to get it digitized so he could clean it up and use it. (It was scratched and slightly damaged.) It was an 8x10 color transparency, and he had no idea what that was but figured I'd know what to do with it. I'm scanning it for him. Then I got a phone call from a woman whose boss gave her "a bunch of these really unusual color pictures in small cardboard frames. You have to hold them up to the light to see them, and he wanted me to get pictures made from them." So she had never seen a color slide before and had no clue what they were or what to do to get prints made from them. I sent her to Ritz. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted November 22, 2010 Share #283 Posted November 22, 2010 Just reading that makes me feel very old! What have art directors come too? I can understand general public not necessarily having seen slides though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted November 23, 2010 Share #284 Posted November 23, 2010 I can understand general public not necessarily having seen slides though. Even before digital 'pictures' meant prints to the general public. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted November 23, 2010 Share #285 Posted November 23, 2010 Just reading that makes me feel very old! What have art directors come too? He's in the 35-40 year old range and I've been working with him for about 15 years. I shot many formats of film until fairly recently, but only gave him scans. He surely was aware of transparency film but probably never saw an 8x10 chrome and hasn't dealt with a scanning service in some time. He said they got rid of their light boxes years ago. His boss, the owner of the agency, once questioned me on a shoot for using a 4x5 Linhof Technikardan instead of "the best camera in the world - a Hasselblad." So there is plenty of film ignorance to go around. I bet there are lots of younger ADs who have never looked at a job shot on film." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted November 23, 2010 Share #286 Posted November 23, 2010 Even before digital 'pictures' meant prints to the general public. Agreed. We are actually working in the rarified section of our craft and tend to neglect the bulk of imaging perceptions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted November 23, 2010 Share #287 Posted November 23, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi Yes but things are changing... Street shooting see happy girl/boy couple, girl with large DSLR. At six foot with 35mm so Canon P 'metal foil' shutter thwack is obvious. Boy says 'yea I try to teach the students to shoot from palm.' he is her tudor and it is a street shoot demo... See them again half an hour later still in same street market, chat, eventually let the girl try the Canon P she struggles, manual focus lever, coincident image, move to scene contrast,... I'm struggling cause her back ground is DSLR totally, so eventually she fires a frame, looks at the camera and says what happens now, 'you pull out the lever thingy with thumb, it is real heavy'... A P is not as light as a Leica, the throw is shorter it needs real effort... 'Woooo you mean there is a tape in the camera' 'It is about six foot and it is called film' So the tutor who had been passive until then, then grabs the P, and indicates the focus scale and depth of field scale and says 'this is the depth of fled scale I told you about,...' So when he finishes I ask 'Dont you have cameras in the college with depth of field and focus scales'. 'No' Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted November 23, 2010 Share #288 Posted November 23, 2010 [...] I bet there are lots of younger ADs who have never looked at a job shot on film." Perhaps we should start a separate thread for that subject. I will add two short examples of Forgotten Photography Things. One is the flash bulb. I was asked to photograph a large modern sculpture that was in a dark storeroom. It required perspective control with a wide lens. I shot it on 4X5, lit with two bare flash bulbs. The AD was present. He was a young 30-something Chinese gentleman who said nothing until I set off the shot. The bare flashes burst into light - of course - and he screamed "Me eyes, me eyes!", and when I changed the bulbs he said, "Only one light for bulb?" Another concerns a flash-bulb unit that uses no batteries whatsoever for regular flash bulbs (not Magic-cube things). I can post more on that if someone wants. (Yes, it can work on a Leica.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 23, 2010 Share #289 Posted November 23, 2010 I'm amazed you can even get flash bulbs. I've been searching high and low. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted November 23, 2010 Share #290 Posted November 23, 2010 Hi while your time machine is there please get me some 220 mono as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted November 23, 2010 Share #291 Posted November 23, 2010 We are actually working in the rarified section of our craft and tend to neglect the bulk of imaging perceptions. I think you are being too fair to simple ignorance. I'm not that old (early 40s) and had no interest in photography as a child but knew what slides were. Everybody of my generation or older must have had a boring relative who insisted on showing his latest holiday snaps via a slideshow. It also can't be that long ago that every tourist attraction had a strip of slides available to buy along with the dreary guidebook, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgray Posted November 23, 2010 Share #292 Posted November 23, 2010 I think you are being too fair to simple ignorance. I'm not that old (early 40s) and had no interest in photography as a child but knew what slides were. Everybody of my generation or older must have had a boring relative who insisted on showing his latest holiday snaps via a slideshow. It also can't be that long ago that every tourist attraction had a strip of slides available to buy along with the dreary guidebook, etc. I'm only 31 and my whole childhood up until about the mid 90's is on slide film. My dad wasn't exactly a photography enthusiast - it was just what he used. All with a Yashica SLR and a 50/2. A *few* of my friends got digital P&S's senior year in college. You can work backwards from there. Some one 8 years younger probably was in a family that stopped using film while they were in middle school. If they ever shot pictures at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted November 23, 2010 Share #293 Posted November 23, 2010 I think you are being too fair to simple ignorance. I'm not that old (early 40s) and had no interest in photography as a child but knew what slides were. Everybody of my generation or older must have had a boring relative who insisted on showing his latest holiday snaps via a slideshow. It also can't be that long ago that every tourist attraction had a strip of slides available to buy along with the dreary guidebook, etc. Hmmm You have just confessed to:- Being over the top, Having boring relatives, - my relatives had prints in album, Going to boring tourist trap locations. I doubt that every is even 99.97%. Everybody would normally get 40 Hail Mary's, for such a sin. Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted November 23, 2010 Share #294 Posted November 23, 2010 I'm amazed you can even get flash bulbs. I've been searching high and low. New flashbulbs are still being made in Ireland. Old flash bulbs are being resold by this guy. Except for his Hollywood sales, I doubt he sells much to the rest of us. Way too expensive. Not bragging, but I have cases of old Mazda/Edison flash bulbs, as well as the great M5 and 25 bulbs all got through luck. Earlier batches from camera stores that went out of business with old stock in the basement, a lot from a 95 year-old photographer who retired, and a basement full of stuff from a guy we called One Shot Charlie, a newspaper photog who retired 40 years ago. In the most recent deal I traded two cases of #6 flash bulbs and a case of photo-flood bulbs for an old VW part (distributor). OH! And I got a case of Infrared #25 bulbs. Military surplus. (IR bulbs go way, way back.) -- Pico in the land going obsolete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archiver Posted December 4, 2010 Share #295 Posted December 4, 2010 Despite my Dad being a bit of a photography buff in the old days, we have no slides and lots of negatives. Strangely, I have lots of photos from when I was a child but hardly anything from my teenage years, which is disappointing. Given how much of my life I've captured over the last eight years of digital photography, I'm a bit sad that I don't have more from years before. As for film, I've only ever shot three rolls of slide, and one was crossprocessed just to see what would happen. I didn't start shooting film until 2006. I have about six or seven albums filled with prints now, which isn't that much for four years. I mainly use the M9 now, along with a 5D Mark II for work and an array of compact cameras for fun. But I've also got a Zeiss Ikon and M7, which get some use every now and again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted December 4, 2010 Share #296 Posted December 4, 2010 Found this recently. Pico bambino. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexP.cal Posted April 24, 2012 Share #297 Posted April 24, 2012 I actually need help on this front. I need to decide wether to get a m7, 50 cron, and 28 elmar, or the m9 and 50 cron. Or wether to wait for the m10. Just so you all now I am under 18. Please, Please, Please if anyone has any suggestions please help me! Thank you, Alex Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted April 24, 2012 Share #298 Posted April 24, 2012 Alex, your first decision is whether you want to shoot film or digital. That will determine whether you choose the M7 (film camera) or the M9 (digital camera). Unless you really want a long wait for a camera, forget the M10. It has not even been announced yet, much less available. Once you make your basic choice of direction ie. film/digital, then we can offer plenty of good advice. Remember also, advice is only that, it cannot take into account your personal circumstances. Only you can do that, with the advice ringing in your ears. P.S. Welcome to the Forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexP.cal Posted April 24, 2012 Share #299 Posted April 24, 2012 I'm leaning towards film because I love the sense of waiting eagerly for your photos to come back from the lab. I currently have a nikon FE that I use with a 50mm 1.4 and I love it. I love the black and white film, it is so much more contrasty and punchy than digital converted to b&w. I think film looks like it has more depth to it because you capturing the image on a 3d object as with a sensor it is converted to being flat. The one thing I am worried about is the expense of developing and scanning film. I might be able to scan myself but developing is still pretty expensive. Does anyone have any recommendations for a nice scanner? ps. thank you erl Alex Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted April 24, 2012 Share #300 Posted April 24, 2012 What's wrong with the Nikon? What's your reason for wanting a Leica? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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