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Why all this X1 negativity?

JanCderidder

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don't really have a case instead of having used the X1 as well as the GF1 and theX1 images are supreme....

 

people tend to talk money, fine if you don't have it, but if you do whats the complaint, slow AF... well we know that when we bought it, nevertheless it produces images which cannot be compared to any other small form big sensor camera...

 

And what really strikes me is that there are people with a 20k+ camera collection (if you would believe them) complaining about the price... I really don't get this

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don't really have a case instead of having used the X1 as well as the GF1 and theX1 images are supreme....

 

people tend to talk money, fine if you don't have it, but if you do whats the complaint, slow AF... well we know that when we bought it, nevertheless it produces images which cannot be compared to any other small form big sensor camera...

 

And what really strikes me is that there are people with a 20k+ camera collection (if you would believe them) complaining about the price... I really don't get this

 

I do get it. For a premium product, asking for the technically possible is more than appropriate. Eg state of the art AF speed, Pana with the GF1 or Sony with the Nex show what is possible. Better MF functionality, look at the Ricoh GXR and Sigma DP how it can be done. Better screen. Build quality, battery door, skin, "loose" dials, many others seem to be better when it comes to manufacturing tolerances and QC!

Would I buy my X1 again? Absolutely! But with a few more development Euros spend, Leica could easily have avoided these unnecessary warts. It's that simple.

Besides above easy fixes (maybe except boosting AF speed) a X1.2 with pop up optical VF with AF confirmation, instead of the pop up flash would be great.

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This idea of having a pop-up optical VF instead of the flash is interesting. I never thought about that before. I'm not sure if it is really viable (but if I need a flash, there would be the socket for it, hmm). After all a VF is smaller than an external flash ...

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JanCderidder ... didn't your little review of the X1 start by talking about the shortcomings of the X1?

 

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-x1-forum/132277-first-time-leica-x1-user.html

 

Yes I did, but the X1 makes produces the best images I have ever been able to take so far. The shortcomings therefor are of no-, or very little importance to me at least. Some are faster, others have a bigger screen, but none have a continuously good IQ, colour rendition, white balance setting and dynamic range.

 

I will always choose for the IQ qualities .... and with the X1 I thinks it's worth the price one pays for it

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correct, in the end only IQ matters, i wanna see the pictures from a camera not the camera itself. There is just no other camera like this at the moment. whats the deal in buying a nex5 with a great screen but not so good IQ? Its pointless

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Yes I did, but the X1 makes produces the best images I have ever been able to take so far. The shortcomings therefor are of no-, or very little importance to me at least. Some are faster, others have a bigger screen, but none have a continuously good IQ, colour rendition, white balance setting and dynamic range.

 

I will always choose for the IQ qualities .... and with the X1 I thinks it's worth the price one pays for it

 

I agree, but you did start with negativity as well.

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Yes I did, but the X1 makes produces the best images I have ever been able to take so far. The shortcomings therefor are of no-, or very little importance to me at least. Some are faster, others have a bigger screen, but none have a continuously good IQ, colour rendition, white balance setting and dynamic range.

 

I will always choose for the IQ qualities .... and with the X1 I thinks it's worth the price one pays for it

 

i have only shot 2 frames with my new X1 (my wife gifted me 1 on Wednesday) they were of her sleeping dog- certainly a "snapshot - not 'art' " and certainly not worthy of posting online, when I showed the OOC jpg to my wife on my iPad- she was blown away- (as I was)- it was the best shot of 'her dog' i have ever taken the IQ and lens on this camera are by far the best I have ever seen, and the manual focus works well for me....

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i have only shot 2 frames with my new X1 (my wife gifted me 1 on Wednesday) they were of her sleeping dog- certainly a "snapshot - not 'art' " and certainly not worthy of posting online, when I showed the OOC jpg to my wife on my iPad- she was blown away- (as I was)- it was the best shot of 'her dog' i have ever taken the IQ and lens on this camera are by far the best I have ever seen, and the manual focus works well for me....

 

Woof woof.

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Hello All,

I am new to the site and I am so drooling over the X1 and I am so jealous of those who do have one. As a Nikon user who has not picked up a camera in 25 years, I am so looking forward to getting back into this. There is nothing negative that I can say about the X1 from everything that I have read even with a few short comings this camera sounds like an excellent choice for some in between a consumer and a pro. Prosumer. I look forward to read your comments on this forum. Now let me go wipe the drool from my mouth...

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I think most casual photographers don't really know what to make of the X1. Most digital compact users are now used having a 12x zoom at their fingertips. They probably feel limited by the set focal length. Most DSLR users are screaming, where's the viewfinder?

 

I just got mine on Saturday, and while I love it, since it's already too large to fit in a pocket, I would have gladly traded a little more size in return for a built-in viewfinder. Manually focusing while staring at an LCD screen is going to take some time to feel normal. I'm hoping it will eventually become second nature, but while I can focus an SLR in a split second, it's taking me what feels like forever to scroll that thumb dial and focus the image on the screen.

 

That's my only complaint so far.

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I think most casual photographers don't really know what to make of the X1. Most digital compact users are now used having a 12x zoom at their fingertips. They probably feel limited by the set focal length. Most DSLR users are screaming, where's the viewfinder?

 

I just got mine on Saturday, and while I love it, since it's already too large to fit in a pocket, I would have gladly traded a little more size in return for a built-in viewfinder. Manually focusing while staring at an LCD screen is going to take some time to feel normal. I'm hoping it will eventually become second nature, but while I can focus an SLR in a split second, it's taking me what feels like forever to scroll that thumb dial and focus the image on the screen.

 

That's my only complaint so far.

 

i also think there is a bit of ageism involved. I would guess the prime audience for this camera is close to my age (I am 53). Most of my contemporaries need reading glasses my wife cannot read a menu anymore w/o glasses so for most to use the camera they a) autofocus - which just doesnt seem right or B) take a picture like a zombie and manual focus....

i wear contacts so it doesnt bother me :)

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The 1st camera I ever used was a Yashica Electro 35, which was a 35mm camera with a viewfinder and a non-changeable lens. It took some good pictures and I remember at the time a friend of mine drooling over a Nikromat. While he was making fun of the Yashica Electro 35 that was furnished for me to take pictures for the Yearbook... The year was 1977, fast forward to today and not much has changed... How could you take pictures with just a standard lens... Mine zooms to _____X____ times. Yea I hear ya bragging... Give me an X1... I would love to see what I could do with it... Just Sayin!

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i also think there is a bit of ageism involved. I would guess the prime audience for this camera is close to my age (I am 53). Most of my contemporaries need reading glasses my wife cannot read a menu anymore w/o glasses so for most to use the camera they a) autofocus - which just doesnt seem right or B) take a picture like a zombie and manual focus....

i wear contacts so it doesnt bother me :)

 

TBH, I actually don't really know what to do with a zoom these days, I always forget I'm using one. I"m actually building out my canon prime collection. I do have a 15-85 for a walk around lens, but I foresee selling that at some point.

 

Currently I am drooling over the canon 35/1.2 :/ Anyway, I'm 34 - and relatively new to photography.. and I prefer primes. To me they make more sense (especially with current DSLR mp counts). I generally know what I'm going to shoot - and take the appropriate lens(es). Also strange, I find generally shots I take with primes are framed MUCH better than shots where I'm zooming.

 

I wouldn't be surprised to be the odd one out though.

 

I'm presently trying to convince myself that I went all wrong with the 7d and x1 and TOTALLY need an m9.... I doubt I'll be able to fool myself into that thought at my level :) OTOH, if the consulting picks up... I'm absolutely getting an m9 :D

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The X1 is the only camera I have used for the past months/weeks, since I got it actually.

I'm not trying to make a point but its the single most convenient camera I'v ever used. This has to do with the IQ (once you've found the best personal settings configuration) and its size/weight.

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