patrick parker Posted July 7, 2010 Share #1 Posted July 7, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) I got to play with a gf1 this weekend . to be able to manuel focus by only looking at the lcd is an amazing feeling. i wished my x1 could do that. up until that moment i never gave much attention screen resolution and now i now it really matters. gf1 is much louder than i thought, and the iq is definetely not as good, neither is the lowlight, definetely not a pocketable camera either but the focusing is a dream. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pico Posted July 7, 2010 Share #2 Posted July 7, 2010 The GF1 is interesting, isn't it Patrick! This evening I mounted a Canon F/.95 lens on the Lumix G1. Here's a shot at F/.95. Focus is easier with the eye-level finder. Almost SLR like. The focus magnification helps. Unfortunately, this lens with its C-Mount adapter, then the C-Mount adapter for the G1 makes the farthest focusable distance almost four feet. On film, I expect this lens to be a good performer. Hey, I saved $10,000 USD by not buying the latest Noctilux! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted July 7, 2010 Share #3 Posted July 7, 2010 Why can't you manually focus using the lcd on the x1? Quality of the screen an issue for you? edit ---- Sorry I missed the quality of the screen mention.. I think the bigger issue is magnification area? I do wish they would implement a mode 1/mode 2 method, so we could have the magnified area take the whole screen. That's something that seems like a no brainer of a choice to offer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted July 7, 2010 Share #4 Posted July 7, 2010 I switched the x1 display to bright. This does not make the display as good as my E-P2 display but it improves things a little bit IMO. I also dont rely on manual focus with the X1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrick parker Posted July 7, 2010 Author Share #5 Posted July 7, 2010 there was an interesting comment about a canon lens on a gf1. i'm afraid it might have been erased by one of the big brothers. how free is this forum anyway? do we get sabotaged if we talk about other cameras? or am i just being paranoid? is it possible to withdraw your own reply to a thread? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted July 7, 2010 Share #6 Posted July 7, 2010 No images that are non leica afaik..and generally being polite (although that one seems to have gone missing lately) You can edit your reply and erase it(at least the content), but some members get email notifications at which point they will see the response before editing. I maybe wrong, but that generally seems to be it. Theres a forums rules link at the bottom of the page (not sure if they have been customized or are the default vbb) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest badbob Posted July 7, 2010 Share #7 Posted July 7, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) I do wish they would implement a mode 1/mode 2 method, so we could have the magnified area take the whole screen. This magnifying thing is tricky. If the magnification process increased the detail in direct proportion to the amount of magnification, that would be good. I know on playback that the X1's magnification doesn't zoom in on the full resolution of the image. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted July 7, 2010 Share #8 Posted July 7, 2010 do we get sabotaged if we talk about other cameras? No, read the title of this thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted July 8, 2010 Share #9 Posted July 8, 2010 Moderators are not "Big Brothers". This is the Leica User Forum. The post was discussing a Canon lens on a non Leica camera. Therefore, it was removed. There are lots of places on the Internet where Canon lenses on 3rd party bodies can be discussed. Leica lenses on 3rd party bodies are fine, as are third party lenses on Leica bodies. However, in this case, the Canon lens in question is a Leica mount lens, so falls in a grey area. I have therefore reinstated the moderated post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biglouis Posted July 8, 2010 Share #10 Posted July 8, 2010 I agree, the GF-1 kicks minor butt. The Leica related part of this reply is that Leica is nuts not to rebrand it and introduce it - which is a rumour which resurfaces from time to time. Unfortunately, although the X1 is probably at the pixel level better than the GF-1, in terms of ergonomics, expansion, compatability with a range of other lenses including M and R mount lenses through adaptors, ease of manual focus and accessories like the add-on EVF, and price, kicks major butt when compared to any other large sensor compact including the X1. I don't know what Leica's long term financial plans are but earning a commission by licensing their name on m4/3rds lenses which would sell in the 10s or 100s of thousands would kinda make sense to me but, hey, what do I know? LouisB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardM8 Posted July 8, 2010 Share #11 Posted July 8, 2010 Unfortunately, although the X1 is probably at the pixel level better than the GF-1, in terms of ergonomics, expansion, compatability with a range of other lenses including M and R mount lenses through adaptors, ease of manual focus and accessories like the add-on EVF, and price, kicks major butt when compared to any other large sensor compact including the X1. I agree on most points but not on 'probably better at pixel level' and on ergonomics. The X1 is much better at pixel level and on the overall look of the image. And regardless from with way you look, I think nobody could describe the ergonomics of the GF1 as better than the X1 as far as controls and menus go. But I don't see why all this would mean 'kicks major butt'. The X1 is less versatile, costs more but also makes better images - and much better at high ISOs - with superior controls. Different cameras. Make your choice. There is no 'winner'. And yes, you could fit an M lens on a GF1 but then the cost factor everybody loves to kick the X1 for comes into view again too. Now let's see... a GF1 body + a 35 M 'Rit' (let alone a Lux or Cron). Hmm... pretty expensive and it would still get its 'butt kicked' at anything from ISO 400 onwards. Interesting. Add: maybe for those who think that there is not that much difference between an APS-C sensor and M4/3s... the surface area of the X1 sensor is 64% larger than M4/3. This translates to 5 MP/cm² vs. 3.3 MP/cm² pixel density for the X1. No lens will compensate this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrick parker Posted July 8, 2010 Author Share #12 Posted July 8, 2010 Moderators are not "Big Brothers". This is the Leica User Forum. The post was discussing a Canon lens on a non Leica camera. Therefore, it was removed. There are lots of places on the Internet where Canon lenses on 3rd party bodies can be discussed. Leica lenses on 3rd party bodies are fine, as are third party lenses on Leica bodies. However, in this case, the Canon lens in question is a Leica mount lens, so falls in a grey area. I have therefore reinstated the moderated post. dear andy, x1 should be freely compared to anything else out there. the person who wrote about gf1 with a canon lens on it was not being rude or anything. he posted a photograph he took with this combination and said the results were interesting. what is the point of silencing someone who wants to compare an image taken with an panasonic to a leica? This is very much a big brother attitude as opposed to a moderator. I believe a true moderator can come up with an intelligent remark in order to lead the forum to the right direction instead of tearing out and burning information some photographers might find valuable. since this person has written no more opinions , i wonder if he was banned from this forum altogether. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrick parker Posted July 8, 2010 Author Share #13 Posted July 8, 2010 oops sorry about that andy i just saw that it came back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted July 8, 2010 Share #14 Posted July 8, 2010 This magnifying thing is tricky. If the magnification process increased the detail in direct proportion to the amount of magnification, that would be good. I know on playback that the X1's magnification doesn't zoom in on the full resolution of the image. Interesting point, I'll have to look at that. I know on some other cameras when you set to a magnification mode that uses full screen it is basically full resolution and as much as they can fit on a given screen. It seems strange to do a center magnification with a lower pixel count screen to me - am I missing something? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest badbob Posted July 9, 2010 Share #15 Posted July 9, 2010 It seems strange to do a center magnification with a lower pixel count screen to me - am I missing something? I remember this feature on some Panasonic cameras when manual focusing, and if memory serves me correctly, the resolution was not good on the Pana's either. That's one of the problems with electronic manual focusing - not a true manual focus and problems like this not solved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted July 9, 2010 Share #16 Posted July 9, 2010 It's not a true traditional manual focus but on a screen with 920k pixels full screen, it's a lot better than the paltry x1 screen and using 1/6 of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted July 9, 2010 Share #17 Posted July 9, 2010 There have been plenty of manual focus SLRs and TLRs that are a pain in the ass to focus due to dim VFs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest badbob Posted July 10, 2010 Share #18 Posted July 10, 2010 It's not a true traditional manual focus but on a screen with 920k pixels full screen, it's a lot better than the paltry x1 screen and using 1/6 of it. Just tried some indoor shots in low light (f2.8, 1/30, ISO 2500), handheld, and manual focusing was not extremely painful, but not comfortable either. Since I'm nearsighted I see the tiny center screen OK, but turning the wheel and trying to hold the camera steady while staring at the screen, it's very difficult because I can't hold it perfectly steady while turning that wheel. So yes, a larger display is really needed here for manual focusing. I did much better when I sat the camera on a flat surface and then did the focusing, but I don't know without putting the images on a computer if they're really sharp, because the playback on that small screen isn't that great, i.e. when you're in playback and zoom in, you don't get the full quality of the image magnified. So I'd agree the Panasonics win that one, but they still need to improve their electronic manual focus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted July 10, 2010 Share #19 Posted July 10, 2010 I think they have optimized what they can with focus by wire and LCD - I just wish the x1 could mirror those functions honestly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael friedberg Posted July 10, 2010 Share #20 Posted July 10, 2010 Unfortunately, although the X1 is probably at the pixel level better than the GF-1, in terms of ergonomics, expansion, compatability with a range of other lenses including M and R mount lenses through adaptors, ease of manual focus and accessories like the add-on EVF, and price, kicks major butt when compared to any other large sensor compact including the X1. LouisB While I concur about the value of rebranding in this instance, my X-1 kicks butt compared to my G1 in two major ways beyond sensor.....optics and size. Lens quality and portability are really important to me, and the X1 wins by a landslide. I keep my G1 for long zoom lens use only, something that no Leica rangefinders can do --and my M9, too, still kicks butt compared to the G1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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