delander †Posted June 24, 2010 Share #41  Posted June 24, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) I was relieved of my camera in similar circumstances a few years ago. I left it on the restaurant table while I went over with my wife to look at what was on offer. 10 seconds at the most, but it was gone. Nobody saw a thing, I reported it immediately to the police making a full and accurate statement as to how it happened. When I checked my insurance I found it was not covered because I had left it unattended.  Financially it was no great loss, film cameras rarely cost as much as Leica M9s, but it was a camera I had had for 25 years, the black paint nicely brassing. Emotionally it was more of a loss and I replaced it with the same model - but it was never the same.  Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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faraz Posted June 24, 2010 Author Share #42 Â Posted June 24, 2010 Excellent advice everyone. I appreciate the idea about registering the loss with police at minimum, I agree that insurance would likely not cover it at all (even the puny amount) because of the circumstances. I especially appreciate the reaffirmation that my decision to move on is the right one, it is definitely coming with me on my next trip. Â I did think that I could perhaps deduct the loss from my taxes, that would be nice. I will speak to my accountant about that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
anupmc Posted June 24, 2010 Share #43 Â Posted June 24, 2010 .... Does this make sense? Â Yeah, it does. Â Mind you, if it'd been me, all hell would have broken lose at that restaurant that day! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraz Posted June 24, 2010 Author Share #44  Posted June 24, 2010 How in the world did you get a new M9 and Nocti so quickly?It seems like there are many people who have been waiting for months.  el  I guess I got really lucky. That's what I meant with Samy's Camera in LA taking great care of me in light of the situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
schnapshot Posted June 24, 2010 Share #45 Â Posted June 24, 2010 I especially appreciate the reaffirmation that my decision to move on is the right one, it is definitely coming with me on my next trip. Â After all it is only equipment which can be replaced. If you crash a car, it will be much more expensive (in many cases). What would you do after crashing a car? Buy new one for sure! Â Maybe see it like a loss on the stock market....Many people have lost much more money on the stock and are still happy. Â After all it is only money... Â Just move on and enjoy your new gear! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted June 24, 2010 Share #46 Â Posted June 24, 2010 The crime is felony-class, like stealing a late model car. Please file your report with the police for a couple reasons - first to help recover your camera (unlikely), but also to keep the police database fresh. Â Here's an example. Just down the road from me a 14 year-old girl went missing. The FBI investigated and as part of the search they went through the police records, including trivial complaints, some of which were of fraud through the internet - all pointing to one man who lived in the girl's neighborhood. Sure enough, they caught the perp a thousand miles away with the girl. He is in jail for the rest of his life. She is rebuilding her life. Â It's just for the record. Â I am very sorry to learn of your loss. Let's try to make it the last the perp, whomever it was, commits. Â Very Best, Pico Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMB Posted June 24, 2010 Share #47  Posted June 24, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) multiple quotes deleted  I do not wish to offend the OP but this story simply makes no sense whatsoever.  Sophisticated enough to earn the cash for a M9 and and Nocti within a few weeks and to to deduct to costs from taxes but too scared to go to the police to report because of some 3rd world experience????  No time to got to the police but enough time to go back several times to the restaurant despite the fact that the restaurant was not helpful??  Posting 3 weeks after the event, without giving a serial number (so that others who are offered the camera or lens might know it was stolen). What's the point?? The loss does not seem to be a big issue as it could be replaced within a few days? Why share the story if any information that might be of interest its withheld?  Don't get me wrong. I have a lot of sympathy with people who lose their cameras or who suffer from theft. I fully agree we should share serial numbers of other information that might help someone to recover his/her camera or lens. But this story simply makes no sense. deleted reference to other deleted items Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
W4Leica Posted June 25, 2010 Share #48 Â Posted June 25, 2010 Speechless! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpattinson Posted June 25, 2010 Share #49 Â Posted June 25, 2010 I do not wish to offend the OP but this story simply makes no sense whatsoever. Â Sophisticated enough to earn the cash for a M9 and and Nocti within a few weeks and to to deduct to costs from taxes but too scared to go to the police to report because of some 3rd world experience???? Â No time to got to the police but enough time to go back several times to the restaurant despite the fact that the restaurant was not helpful?? Â Posting 3 weeks after the event, without giving a serial number (so that others who are offered the camera or lens might know it was stolen). What's the point?? The loss does not seem to be a big issue as it could be replaced within a few days? Why share the story if any information that might be of interest its withheld? Â Don't get me wrong. I have a lot of sympathy with people who lose their cameras or who suffer from theft. I fully agree we should share serial numbers of other information that might help someone to recover his/her camera or lens. But this story simply makes no sense. . Â I think you may not appreciate how different your experience of dealing with the police in a modern European country differs from that of people who come from places where the police are vastly less pleasant to deal with. In Australia there is a very real problem where migrants from certain countries are unwilling to report even serious crimes because they have a fear, from childhood, of the police. This isn't an unreasonable fear, but a very sensible one derived from experience. The fact that they have moved to a different country, where they might expect better treatment (ie. not extortion, beating or worse) doesn't remove this fear. I recall a friend of mine reporting a stolen camera in a foreign country was threatened with being locked up because he was 'making false accusations' - basically extorting a bribe to be able to file a police report for insurance. Â Not that people don't have bad experiences of police in Australia or other western countries, sadly they do. However it's not generally as entrenched or blatant as it is in some other places. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
redbaron Posted June 25, 2010 Share #50 Â Posted June 25, 2010 I guess I got really lucky. That's what I meant with Samy's Camera in LA taking great care of me in light of the situation. Â Mate, how, exactly, did Samy's help you? Â There are a few things about this story that are beginning to sound a bit odd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted June 25, 2010 Share #51 Â Posted June 25, 2010 There are a few things about this story that are beginning to sound a bit odd. Â I think Samy's did very well to find an M9 and a Noctilux within a week or so given that they appear to be very few available for everyone else - and also provide them at a discount. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocker Posted June 25, 2010 Share #52  Posted June 25, 2010 Mate, how, exactly, did Samy's help you? There are a few things about this story that are beginning to sound a bit odd.  I agree and was doubtful on reading the original post. As GMB has said, what is the point of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill W Posted June 25, 2010 Share #53 Â Posted June 25, 2010 I am not sure about insurance contracts in the OP's state of Arizona but in Texas there is no limit on photo gear as far as personal property is concerned. My policy will pay replacement cost for the items as long as I actually replace them less my deductible which is $1,000 in my case. The requirement is that the items be taken from a know place at a know time. There must be a police report and some proof that you actually owned the items. If you schedule the items for a specific value and pay additional premium, your coverage become "idiot proof" meaning you have coverage if you misplace an item, drop it, etc. Keep in mind insurance contracts vary widely. Oh by the way I spent 30+ years in the insurance realm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraz Posted June 25, 2010 Author Share #54 Â Posted June 25, 2010 The point of the post was to finally gather the courage and share my horrendous experience with fellow M9 enthusiasts. To gain some ideas on what I should have done and if I did anything wrong. I am simply astonished that some of you think my experience is not based on truth, I mean I am one cynical bastard myself, but I didn't expect that. No worries, enjoy your cameras and have fun. Signing off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdtaylor Posted June 25, 2010 Share #55 Â Posted June 25, 2010 I am not sure about insurance contracts in the OP's state of Arizona but in Texas there is no limit on photo gear as far as personal property is concerned. My policy will pay replacement cost for the items as long as I actually replace them less my deductible which is $1,000 in my case. The requirement is that the items be taken from a know place at a know time. There must be a police report and some proof that you actually owned the items. If you schedule the items for a specific value and pay additional premium, your coverage become "idiot proof" meaning you have coverage if you misplace an item, drop it, etc. Keep in mind insurance contracts vary widely. Oh by the way I spent 30+ years in the insurance realm. Â Same here with my policy. $1,500 per lens/camera not scheduled, and covered only in my house. If scheduled (additional premium), anywhere, anytime for the full value, whether lost, stolen or damaged. My Agent has photos of all my gear and serial numbers, which I provided once a year at renewal. Adding an expensive lens can occur any time of the year- I just send the info and they get out the bill. About $150 US for $50k of insured items in my case in my location. I am in Maryland in the US, so as Bill said, mileage may vary for State to State and Country to Country. Â If it is for a business, I know there is loss of use insurance which can be fairly cheap and very useful when needed. I lost an office, i.e. computers, to a storm, and it covered our operating expenses for the 10 days it took to get us back up and running 100%. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
holmes Posted June 25, 2010 Share #56 Â Posted June 25, 2010 I posted earlier about the first thing you should have done: gone back into the restaurant and demanded to see the manager. While there, they should have let you the telephone to call the redacted PD. Remember redacted is a tourist town and they don't like having visitors ripped of. deleted redactedsdale PD detectives can put the word out too their many informants. The biggest problem is/was you. Careless handling of your Leica and glass. Notifying Leica? What good does that do? Your position about coming from a country where the police are poorly thought of; don't trust them. That reflects very badly on all American police officers. Don't say that to them. And here it is 3 weeks later. All you did was notify Sammy's in LA for replacement. Don't even think of trying to get your original equipment back to go with Sammy's. That my friend is fraud, with a capital "F". How do I know redactedsdale PD works? Well I spent a number of years on the redacted County Sheriff's department. That's the county that redactedsdale is located. So after 40 years in American law enforcement I think I can speak with some little authority. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted June 25, 2010 Share #57 Â Posted June 25, 2010 I do wish that people would stop insinuating that the an individual is a thief or now a drug addict. [since redacted by Moderator] Â There is no evidence at all to support either of these conjectures. Â Please stop this now. Â In fact, thinking about it, "a Moderator" is now going to have to go through this whole thread and remove any potential libels, or delete it all together. Let me see how much of my evening this will take up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted June 25, 2010 Share #58 Â Posted June 25, 2010 Done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted June 25, 2010 Share #59 Â Posted June 25, 2010 Done. Â With thanks to the unknown moderator or moderators. One hell of a job, and the work is not even related to Leica and photography. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted June 25, 2010 Share #60 Â Posted June 25, 2010 It's not a problem. It's what we are here for. Sort of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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