Problems with a Leica? - Actions before posting.

[pgk]

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Having seen numerous posts complaining about 'problems' with Leica cameras (especially M digitals), and having got thoroughly fed up with them, may I just suggest the following?

 

Firstly. Please go through the posts here using the search system. If the problem has been seen before then there will almost certainly be a post about it and various potential remedies.

 

Secondly. Try these remedies if at all possible - these may involve some degree of effort (such as finding other SD cards to try, etc.).

 

Thirdly. If you really can't find a post and potential remedy, post a simple description of the problem and wait for replies - there are many contributors here who are prepared to be extremely helpful and they will try to provide a solution to sort out any problem if this is at all possible. Asking an objective question will draw on a great deal of experience and knowledge. Whining about 'it ought to work but won't' usually attracts more irritated replies and less help.

 

Fourth. If none of the above offer a solution the contact Leica or their representatives or a Leica specialist workshop and see what they say.

 

Lastly, if the result is that the problem remains unresolved then, fair enough, complain, but first to those actually responsible for solving it but who haven't. Then, if you must, post here.

 

And please, please, don't post about perceived/potential problems - I'm utterly bored of seeing such posts:rolleyes:.

 

There, that feels better:).

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[wizard]

Paul,

 

I am completely with you on that one, but your approach is just too sensible .

 

Andy

[mhoersch]

There, that feels better:).

 

Paul,

now that you've complained about other people complaining - you feel better. I'm really glad to hear that.

 

Have you considered the possibility that other people also might feel better - after complaining?

 

Suggestion: When bored reading certain threads/posts - don't read them. Really quite easy.

 

Or, as I just read in a 1905 novel by Elizabeth von Arnim: There are few things quite as easy as not drinking any rum if you don't like it.

[pgk]

now that you've complained about other people complaining - you feel better. I'm really glad to hear that.

 

Have you considered the possibility that other people also might feel better - after complaining?

 

Suggestion: When bored reading certain threads/posts - don't read them. Really quite easy.

Absolutely. BUT others do read them and I would suggest that they can all too easily get an incorrect impression from an ill-considered complaining post (which is often started with a title which does not indicate its real content and intent). Leica do not have a right of reply here and Leica employees would, I am certain, consider it unprofessional to respond without declaring their position. Complaints tend to be one sided with detractors slagging Leica off and making accusations of Leica 'fanboys' defending Leica at all costs. I'd like to see a more objective approach but suspect that the web is probably not the place for this:(.

[bill]

Hear hear.

 

But, as already pointed out, I fear your approach is entirely too sensible to have any traction here.

 

Regards,

 

Bill

[250swb]

It is frustrating clicking on a thread to find its another 'complain first, act later' diatribe, with the inevitable reminder of how much the camera cost. But some people just aren't practically minded, whereas some of us would take it apart before admitting a problem has defeated us.

 

The instinct to think about a problem and investigate it is being lost, because most things simply turn on nowadays when the switch is turned. But the generation who still remembers Meccano or owning a British or Italian sports car of a certain era will have to adopt some patience, not everybody understands that most things can be fixed with the proverbial hair grip and a length of string ;-)

 

 

Steve

[bill]

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The instinct to think about a problem and investigate it is being lost, because most things simply turn on nowadays when the switch is turned. But the generation who still remembers Meccano or owning a British or Italian sports car of a certain era will have to adopt some patience, not everybody understands that most things can be fixed with the proverbial hair grip and a length of string ;-)

 

Sadly, I agree. It's akin to the threads that ask for advice on the sweet spot for a particular lens, or the best lens for portraiture, or similar. Whatever happened to trial and error? Particularly in these digital days, there is little or no cost associated with trying things out but instead there is an increased reliance on seeking advice from others via a keyboard and screen.

 

Regards,

 

Bill

[adan]

"Have you considered the possibility that other people also might feel better - after complaining? "

 

But in that case, shouldn't we (or at least the forum operator) be able to collect a psychotherapist's fee?

[rpsawin]

Paul,

 

I am completely with you on that one, but your approach is just too sensible .

 

Andy

 

 

Yes, he will get nowhere with a logical, calm approach...lol. This approach would certainly suck the joy out of an internet rant (this from personal experience).

 

Best regards,

 

Bob

[tdtaylor]

Sadly, I agree. It's akin to the threads that ask for advice on the sweet spot for a particular lens, or the best lens for portraiture, or similar. Whatever happened to trial and error? Particularly in these digital days, there is little or no cost associated with trying things out but instead there is an increased reliance on seeking advice from others via a keyboard and screen.

 

Regards,

 

Bill

 

Bill, you hit it on the head. Most questions I can answer myself with a little trial and error, and as you mentioned at minimal cost. Plus, as a side benefit, I tend to remember them better when I discover it personally.

[earleygallery]

I have a problem with the sort of "leica broken after first day this is not acceptable!!" threads which usually turn out to be a user error issue, but someone searching will only see the thread title.

 

Also people who's answer is readily available if they could be bothered to read the instructions first!!