petert531 Posted December 29, 2006 Share #21 Posted December 29, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Do what I did. Get both...several times. Seriously they are different beasts for different purposes. If you consider 50mm to be telephot then go M. If your world starts at 50 go R. No questions. They both have +'s and -'s but in the end if you are totally maniacal and sure that you are a manual guy who pre-visualizes the picture go M. It changed my photography more than MF. Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kerontide Posted December 30, 2006 Author Share #22 Posted December 30, 2006 Do what I did. Get both...several times. Seriously they are different beasts for different purposes. If you consider 50mm to be telephot then go M. If your world starts at 50 go R. No questions. They both have +'s and -'s but in the end if you are totally maniacal and sure that you are a manual guy who pre-visualizes the picture go M. It changed my photography more than MF. Peter Thanks Peter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksparrow Posted December 30, 2006 Share #23 Posted December 30, 2006 Hola Segi, There's a Leica store in your town FOTOPRO Castellón 2 46004 Valencia Phone: 96 351 38 34 Fax: 96 351 38 34 E-mail: correo@fotoprovalencvia.com WWW: http://www.fotoprovalencia.com you shoud go there and try both cameras yourself. I'm sure that they'll gladly let you test-drive both (after all, you will give them a lot of money). I personally like the M, but whatever you decide I think you must know the pro/cons of each system. If you choose M, go for the real thing and get an MP!! saludos y suerte con tu eleccion. E Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted December 30, 2006 Share #24 Posted December 30, 2006 "...some large black blob of melted plastic whirring into focus..." Nice description. As is the Boss suit and DSLR wedding photographer look. A top press photographer told me he'd far refer an unobtrusive camera like the Leica to a hulking DSLR. It's an important question. Do you blend in or not? Nice pic, Steve, but one has to ask why take 30 pictures of some girls one doesn't even know? Why, for what? If you plan to use them commercially, you need to ask, maybe gets names and permission. I find if I simply ask people, they won't mind a bit. But they hate it if you fuss around for ages with the camera. So, find one that you can use quickly and easily. Simple advice: try them out first! This one with a '50 cron wide open and slow-speed slide film at about 1/15. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/12215-leica-m-system-or-r-system/?do=findComment&comment=130064'>More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted December 30, 2006 Share #25 Posted December 30, 2006 They both have their best uses. The M is best for reporting what is around you,small, quiet and able to use and focus wide lenses with ease. R system is nice for zoom lens when you can not change lenses fast or weather inhibits changing. It is superior for telephoto work and close up photography. There is considerable overlap in the application of the two systems for instance close work and tele work can be done with the visoflex accessory although not as efficiently. M camers focus somewhat better for under 90 mm lenses. R cams are better for longer lenses. R bodies more accurately show the exact picture of what will be on the film. Frame lines for M can not be made to accurately depect angle of vew for both close and far, hence there is some extra image recorded on far pictures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted December 31, 2006 Share #26 Posted December 31, 2006 I forgot to say the above pic was with a Leica M6. I really had the worng film -- 400 print would have been better -- but you can handhold a rangefinder at much lower speeds than you can an SLR. This really des make a big difference for available light photography. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliffshen Posted December 31, 2006 Share #27 Posted December 31, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'm in the same situation... I have an E1+grip and a Silver R8... I realized that everytime I take the E1 up, everybody looks at me... and about the same situation as the R8... so I'm thinking about getting an M for street photograph... but I haven't decide yet... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandokan Posted December 31, 2006 Share #28 Posted December 31, 2006 Hi Sergi, I have both and they are very different. Before investing, try them out and if you want a long term attempt at rangefinders, try something like a Russian imitation such as FED or ZORKI - ignore the quality and only look at the rangefinder focusing and views and if your eye starts to look outside the framelines for a better composition. Also do not forget the weight. I think twice about taking the R9 out with me and almost never in the evenings, but the M7 will often fit into my coat pocket with the 35mm lens and I will take it with me often. Maybe I will be corrected, but I think the contrast is much better from my ASPH (aspherical and/or APO) lenses for the M than the zoom and 90mm for the R. I am certain the images are sharper but that could just be because of the differences in weight when I hand hold them and the fact that shutter speeds are usually quite low. Ideally I would like something as small and light as the M but as a SLR Ravi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted December 31, 2006 Share #29 Posted December 31, 2006 Sergi, Welcome! I suspect that reading the views of learned members here on the forum will be both very helpful but possibly also confusing. After all, we are all different and have varying likes and dislikes. Absorb what they say but do not commit yourself until you have had plenty of time to handle both Leica systems. You don't mention your budget, but you may be comfortable trying an older rangefinder M or pre-M or any of the recent R cameras. A good dealer should be able to show you examples of both old and new models. The advantage of trying older models first is that a failed experiment is not as expensive as if you buy new equipment and hope for the best. A good dealer should offer you a guarantee and would possibly take the camera back against another. Do tell us what you decide to do. Happy New Year! David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest umb Posted January 4, 2007 Share #30 Posted January 4, 2007 "...some large black blob of melted plastic whirring into focus..." Nice description. As is the Boss suit and DSLR wedding photographer look. A top press photographer told me he'd far refer an unobtrusive camera like the Leica to a hulking DSLR. Here's my contribution to this. ("unobtrusive camera like the Leica to a hulking DSLR."). What a BIG difference. I'm sure everybody will notice the difference in size of about 2 square inches in your pictures immediately. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/12215-leica-m-system-or-r-system/?do=findComment&comment=133134'>More sharing options...
kerontide Posted January 4, 2007 Author Share #31 Posted January 4, 2007 sorry for delay, thanks umb for your contribution. wda, I don't worry for my budget because I can buy it, 11.000 euros, for this equipment: Leica M7 Summilux-m 35mm f1,4 Noctilux-m 50mm f1 APO-Summicron-m 90mm f2 and another accesories, bag, grip... But first I'm going to Fotopro in Valencia city to test it and have one in my hands. Regards, Sergi. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhsimmonds Posted January 9, 2007 Share #32 Posted January 9, 2007 Sergi David's advice cannot be faulted........try first always. Rangefinders do not suit everyone. Having lived through the evolution from rangefinder to SLR in the 50/60's, the SLR was indeed a true revelation when it was introduced! The flexibility from macro to telephoto and later to zoom lenses did indeed change photography for ever. Even most pro photojournalists (with a few, very notable and famous exceptions) endorsed the flexibility of the SLR............street photography is really their game! Street photography is my game too, although as an amateur I mix that with other subjects. I have never found an SLR or my D9/DMR DSLR an obstacle in taking street photographs, although I do not use an extreme telephoto lens to do it, just a 35/70 and sometimes the 21/35! But try the rangefinder for yourself.......it just might suit you best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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