dchalfon Posted May 25, 2010 Share #1 Posted May 25, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) anyone using the voigtlander nokton 500/1.1 with the M8? any back focus issues?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted May 25, 2010 Posted May 25, 2010 Hi dchalfon, Take a look here notkon 50mm/1.1. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
richam Posted May 25, 2010 Share #2 Posted May 25, 2010 Yes. Yes. Focuses ok at infinity; back focus for indoor working distances (around 2-3m). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etruscello Posted May 25, 2010 Share #3 Posted May 25, 2010 There is no back focus with the Nokton 50mm f1.1 wide open, if your RF is properly adjusted. There is focus shift which starts at f1.4 and needs to be manually compensated for through f5.6 (when d-o-f compensates for you). Manual compensation is easy -- just turn the focus ring one smidge to your right after you get RF focus. A smidge is the smallest turn you can make. This always works for me. (And of course, you can always focus bracket.) The Nokton f1.1 is worth the focus shift compensation trouble because the results are brilliant from 50mm f1.1, with beautiful bokeh, to f8 (before diffraction limits set in). Tom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted May 26, 2010 Share #4 Posted May 26, 2010 I tried this lens but simply found it too soft wide open for my needs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etruscello Posted May 26, 2010 Share #5 Posted May 26, 2010 Sorry to hear that, Wilfredo. I should be grateful to have gotten a good copy. Tom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted May 27, 2010 Share #6 Posted May 27, 2010 Sorry to hear that, Wilfredo. I should be grateful to have gotten a good copy. Tom I know others who have gotten good copies. Reiner has a good copy. I was impressed by his work with it. Artz also has a good copy. If I lived close to a store that carried them, and I could try one out before I walked out of the store I would re-consider it, but I don't want to play Russian Roulette. I'm planning to buy a 50mm Summilx ASPH from a local dealer, and I will test that lens before I leave the store. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etruscello Posted May 27, 2010 Share #7 Posted May 27, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Great choice, Wilfredo -- you can't go wrong with the Lux 50 ASPH. The thing about the Noct or Nok, however, is that unique wide open d-o-f effect. If that's important to you, wait a bit longer and save for the .95 Noct. I'd not use the 1.0 Noct -- I had it and find the 1.1 Nokton better! Good luck. Tom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted May 27, 2010 Share #8 Posted May 27, 2010 Great choice, Wilfredo -- you can't go wrong with the Lux 50 ASPH. The thing about the Noct or Nok, however, is that unique wide open d-o-f effect. If that's important to you, wait a bit longer and save for the .95 Noct. I'd not use the 1.0 Noct -- I had it and find the 1.1 Nokton better! Good luck. Tom The latest Noctilux bokeh is really exceptional. I don't think anyone can argue with that but alas, I'm a cleric, purchasing the 50mm Summilux ASPH is already stretch for me financially. Overall the LUX best meets the criteria I'm looking for. There is no telling when it will become available. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelos Viskadourakis Posted June 25, 2010 Share #9 Posted June 25, 2010 LUX asph is a lens to fall in love but i play with my CV nokton at 1.1 and i like to share some images with Nokton at 1.1 below.M8 NO UVIR CUT FILTER. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/121985-notkon-50mm11/?do=findComment&comment=1361899'>More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted June 28, 2010 Share #10 Posted June 28, 2010 Great shots. You obviously got one of the good ones. The Nokton I got was not as sharp as these shots wide open. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelos Viskadourakis Posted June 28, 2010 Share #11 Posted June 28, 2010 Great shots. You obviously got one of the good ones. The Nokton I got was not as sharp as these shots wide open. Hello Wilfredo,i shot DNG and process in C1 LE ,i sharpen the images and realize that there is a lot of detail.Also i compare the Nocton with the Summilux Asph and my Summicron. I found that both Leica lenses are far superior in color ,microcontrast and overall sharpness.Also i discover that Summilux and Nocton have less aberattions compared to Summicron.Summicron appears a little noisier -i suppose through aberrations.At the end i rate the three lenses as Summilux by far first,Summicron second with strong Leica qualities -but slower- and Nokton third as overall is a good lens but has no strong character,i will use it only wide open when needed.I will exchange my Nokton only for a Summilux. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted June 28, 2010 Share #12 Posted June 28, 2010 and Nokton third as overall is a good lens but has no strong character I'm finding this is very true! The lens I bought is both sharp and contrasty (two characteristics that I don't value particularly highly), but it is inferior in both to the pre-asph Summilux, which also has more pleasing color. In comparison to the f.1 Noctilux, it is vastly insipid - the out-of-focus areas are just that and nothing more - never approaching the wild abstraction which the Noctilux is capable of (whether that is to your taste is another matter). It'll be okay as a beach lens, but it's no replacement for the Noctilux imho. Having said that, more capable photographers than me will no doubt be able to create masterpieces with it that are beyond my imagination. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdannn Posted December 4, 2010 Share #13 Posted December 4, 2010 My experience with the Nokton 1.1 : I rented it from LensRentals.com ( great place to try before buying ) !!! I found that the only redeeming feature of this lens was between 4 and 12 feet. It is very difficult to get a spot on focus, but when you do, the DOF in both directions is amazing. The downside, for me, was multi-fold : The size and weight are reminiscent of carrying around the DSLRs' that I used to lug. This lens weighs over a pound ! I found that clarity with infinity focus at any aperture was impossible. Actually crisp, distance focus from 25 feet to infinity was never good either. My Zeiss 2.0 Planar is far, far superior. My Leica 35 Sumarit, and 75 Cron is far superior. The long and short of the story is that I returned the lens to LensRentals.com . I am happy I spent the money to rent it, saving me $1000.00 on having to buy it and sell it on eBay for whatever I could get. My next rental will be the Voigtlander 35 1.4. That will cost only about $50.00 for a 6 day rental. Just my 2 cents here. DF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
santdtman Posted December 8, 2010 Share #14 Posted December 8, 2010 I got the Nokton 50 1.1 imediately after i bought my M8. Why? Because for the price its really, really good. I love the images that are possible with the lens. Downsides: quite heavy and quite big. Little Backfocus which makes it sometimes difficult to focus at close objects. Tricky to handle wide open. A bit soft at f1.1 Pros: the price, the possibilities! here some examples from the day when i got the lens... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/121985-notkon-50mm11/?do=findComment&comment=1525444'>More sharing options...
epand56 Posted December 9, 2010 Share #15 Posted December 9, 2010 I find the pictures taken with this lens not at all sharp if compared with those taken, for example, with a Konika Hexanon Limited 50/1.2. They always have some softness that I don't like too much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestMichigan Posted December 10, 2010 Share #16 Posted December 10, 2010 I think you might be onto something, enrico. I've yet to personally give this lens a go, but I as I wandered around flickr and the 'net researching the lens I rarely saw images which really reached out and grabbed me either aethetically or on technical merit. It's the latter which bothers me a bit because it also seemed that most of the images being shown were of a rough, exploratory nature taken by shooters who might have been both new to rangefinders and possibly to photography with ultra-wide aperture lenses, too. Neither of those endeavours are intrinsically well suited for instant success for newbie's or those out of practice, maybe also out of calibration! The following analogy comes to mind: Just because Sears sells Craftsmen Tools and gazillions of inexperienced users make just as many bad home repairs and car repairs with them doesn't intrinsically say whether Sears' Craftsmen Tool products are bad. If an experienced and competent user can't make em work well, then I think it says something about the Tool and the Brand. The 'net noise' on the Nokton 50/1.1 is Voigtlander has sample to sample production QC issues AND f1.1 is a difficult aperture to use well - both technically and aesthetically. R in Mi. I find the pictures taken with this lens not at all sharp if compared with those taken, for example, with a Konika Hexanon Limited 50/1.2. They always have some softness that I don't like too much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
epand56 Posted December 10, 2010 Share #17 Posted December 10, 2010 Richard, I se your point. My considerations were based upon personal experience and the CV 50 f:1.1 is not included in it. But have to say that while I've seen excellent examples of picture taken with Noctilux or Hexanon lenses (I had one) I haven't still seen a really convincing picture from a CV 50/1.1. However I agree on anything you wrote in your answer and I would still be curious to personally try that lens on my camera before going to any conclusion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestMichigan Posted December 10, 2010 Share #18 Posted December 10, 2010 Ola Enrico, I think you and I may be kindred souls in some respects. We both see Shades of Grey when so much of the Internet World seems to attempt to reduce opinions and observations to strictly Blacks or Whites. On a more humorous note: You MUST be a Scholar, Artist, and Gentleman, because you agree with me. :-) ha ha ha. More Seriously though: Just found out my Financial Limbo should be resolved in 60-90 days and I should be in the M8 & M Lens buyers market a month or two after that. Richard in Michigan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
santdtman Posted December 10, 2010 Share #19 Posted December 10, 2010 The Nokton 50mm 1.1 is a lens thats affordable for the most people who own a M8/M9. Compared to a 7000,- lens of course there must be a difference in Image Quality, build quality,etc. Of course there will be a lot more pictures on the internet with wide aperture characteristics than before, where there was only the Noctilux, due to the affordability of the Nokton. And of course there will be a lot of "unskilled" people using this lens. So what? While i share and understand Your thoughts about the technical/ skill problems using a wide aperture like 1.1/ 0.95 on a rangefinder, i still believe the lens is great for what it costs. And if people go out and buy it, because they like the effect of it, just let them go. Not every picture taken and shared must be a masterpiece Most people make pictures just for fun! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestMichigan Posted December 10, 2010 Share #20 Posted December 10, 2010 Hi Santdman, my comments regarding the dirth(?) of Nokton f1.1 images which really jumped out at me and my hypotheses as to why that may be was not to disparage either the lens nor those using it, not at all. Rather it was to point towards why that 'dirth' ought not be given a lot of weight and that the lens itself shouldn't be presumed as itself being a causal factor. I know for a fact that fast aperture lenses present real challenges when they're used in the SLR world and see no reason why they wouldn't be in the Rangefinder one, as well. The number of threads on the topics of focus shifts, rangefinder alignments, and etc, etc, etc that involve fast glass is fairly decent proof in and of itself, I'd think. I'm going into lens purchasing in a few months (fingers crossed) and based on the Nokton's Price and Fast Aperture I'm thinking hard of whether or not to put it in my 'Kit'. Whether x,y, or z random stranger stubbed their photographic toes using one of em won't be very determinative for me on the decision. Sincerely, Richard in Michigan The Nokton 50mm 1.1 is a lens thats affordable for the most people who own a M8/M9. Compared to a 7000,- lens of course there must be a difference in Image Quality, build quality,etc. Of course there will be a lot more pictures on the internet with wide aperture characteristics than before, where there was only the Noctilux, due to the affordability of the Nokton. And of course there will be a lot of "unskilled" people using this lens. So what? While i share and understand Your thoughts about the technical/ skill problems using a wide aperture like 1.1/ 0.95 on a rangefinder, i still believe the lens is great for what it costs. And if people go out and buy it, because they like the effect of it, just let them go. Not every picture taken and shared must be a masterpiece Most people make pictures just for fun! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.