robsteve Posted December 27, 2006 Share #21 Posted December 27, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) The Noctilux at that price becomes very much a niche product - a bit like the 15mm R lens - and that extra stop costs you dear. My Noctilux was made in Canada, I think they always have been, the last output of what is now ELCAN. I also heard rumour that the 75mm/1.4 was in the same position, no current production but I may be wrong. . The later 75mm Summilux were engraved made in Germany. I had one of the German ones that I sold a few years ago. The glass still looked like the made in Canada ones, so it may just be that the later 75mm Summilux had some parts made by Elcan and then the rest made and assembled in Germany. I have not heard of any such German Noctilux though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted December 27, 2006 Posted December 27, 2006 Hi robsteve, Take a look here Lens Discount Offer Letter - English Text. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Peter Branch Posted December 27, 2006 Share #22 Posted December 27, 2006 Peter, the price list up to 31/12/2006 shows the 50/2.8 at €900 which is €630 at 30% discount. As for the Nocti, you may be right... Mark, The UK list I have dated 1st July 2006, I don't have anything latter, shows the 50 mm f/2.8, Black, Code 11831, as £818.00 Suggested Retail Incl. VAT, which equates to €1,186, as near as makes no difference. Less 30% gives €830 which is precisely the "adjusted" offer price. Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_big Posted December 27, 2006 Share #23 Posted December 27, 2006 They ask for an original credit card payment receipt or other forms of original record of payment. Seeing that I paid cash (a big wad of greenbacks) for mine, will this pose a problem for me? What "other form of original record of payment" can I offer? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Branch Posted December 27, 2006 Share #24 Posted December 27, 2006 I'm not sure they are errors - surely somebody proof read the letter and cross-checked the prices? However, if you are right, such sloppiness would seem to be par for the course in Leica-world at the moment. Ian, I hesitate - I really do - but anything prepared in haste by people who have to worry about prices in different economic areas and who don't have the first idea what a lens is make mistakes - typically about 1.5% of listed prices etc on the first draft will be wrong - so there will almost certainly be errors. If I'm correct then the prices fall into a very consistent pattern - very German. There may be other reasons and explanations; for example the offer price is almost exactly the same as the retail price in the UK, implying a zero discount, or implying the typist got the number from the wrong column or...... If the Noctilux was excluded then I think we can be fairly sure there would have been some reference to this in the letter. I still think, on balance, that it is a typo and the fact that it has got out does not surprise me in the slightest. Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsteve Posted December 27, 2006 Share #25 Posted December 27, 2006 They ask for an original credit card payment receipt or other forms of original record of payment. Seeing that I paid cash (a big wad of greenbacks) for mine, will this pose a problem for me? What "other form of original record of payment" can I offer? I think they are looking for the original bill of sale/cash register receipt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted December 27, 2006 Author Share #26 Posted December 27, 2006 I've sent them a printout from my document archiving system of the original invoice plus the charge card statements showing the deposit and final payment. We'll see... Truth is, we do not know what the price of the Nocti is from 1 January, but I doubt many people will be buying it at the price on the list. Peter, I've never understood UK pricing but Leica Camera Berlin are selling the Elmar (black/chrome) for €900 which ties in with the discount now being offered. Remember these prices are coming out of Solms, not the fairy wonderland that is Milton Keynes. The Classic Camera in the UK who are big fans of creative price setting are charging £769 (€1124 tax adjusted) for the black version and £819 (€1195 tax adjusted). Anyone buying at those prices must be certifiable! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grober Posted December 27, 2006 Share #27 Posted December 27, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) I bought my M8 on 7 November and mailed it off to Leica USA on 1 December for its re-fit. Other than a "repair estimate" form (at zero cost to me) that I received in the mail last Friday, I haven't received anything from either Leica USA or Germany on when I'll see the camera again or concerning the rumored discount offer. Mark, thanks for posting this. Now there's some hope... P. S. Attending a Messiah sing-along for local Handel groupies last night, I was very much missing my M8. Lo and behold, the gentleman taking tickets at the door had a black M6 Classic w/Leica handgrip slung over his shoulder sporting a vintage 35mm Elmar. At the first intermission, I learned that he's been a loyal Leica shooter since the 1940s. He still shoots with his original lenses, Elmars, in 35, 50, 90mm focal lengths + a 135 Hektor. He's had his M6 for about ten years and wouldn't ever consider swapping out any of his lenses for newer ones. Our conversation bouyed my spirits a bit. I promised that I'd be looking for him next year at the same event with my M8 in tow. (Now don't anyone say that the M8 won't be fixed by then either!) -g Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macusque Posted December 27, 2006 Share #28 Posted December 27, 2006 They need the original receipt of full amount paid for the M8. I paid mine trading-in a bunch of Canon gear, so the receipt is only for the difference. Does it still qualify ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gesper Posted December 27, 2006 Share #29 Posted December 27, 2006 JW, I'm in exactly the same situation. Bought on 11/7, sent back 12/6, received Repair Receipt noting 4-5 weeks trunaround time. Sonds like they are taking care of Europe first, since as far as I know, there has never been any notice to US customers about sending cameras back to Solms. I assume you, like me, are getting yours repaired now because you personally contacted Leica USA and they said go ahead and send it in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grober Posted December 27, 2006 Share #30 Posted December 27, 2006 I assume you, like me, are getting yours repaired now because you personally contacted Leica USA and they said go ahead and send it in. Yup. I called Leica in New Jersey on 12/1 and they said, "Send it in." Of course, I also registered it on the Leica site on 12/6. Patience: something I'm working on these days. -g Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravastar Posted December 27, 2006 Share #31 Posted December 27, 2006 They need the original receipt of full amount paid for the M8.I paid mine trading-in a bunch of Canon gear, so the receipt is only for the difference. Does it still qualify ? I have the same problem except I paid a hefty deposit and my receipt only shows the difference paid. The shop kept the deposit receipt when I paid the balance. It now looks as if I will have to get that receipt back or get the shop to issue a new invoice for the total paid. Bob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsteve Posted December 27, 2006 Share #32 Posted December 27, 2006 I have the same problem except I paid a hefty deposit and my receipt only shows the difference paid. The shop kept the deposit receipt when I paid the balance. It now looks as if I will have to get that receipt back or get the shop to issue a new invoice for the total paid. Bob. If the receipt says M8 on it, Leica is not going to argue with you about what you paid. BTW, why don't they show trades on the receipts? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbkell Posted December 27, 2006 Share #33 Posted December 27, 2006 I am really interested in finding out if anyone in North America has received the Leica lens discount offer or knows what the US discounted prices are going to be. It gets a bit confusing deducting VAT and then adding the (unknown) import tax or duty. I suspect (and hope) that the US prices are quite a bit less than the Euro prices due to the tax differences but has someone seen these actual prices Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted December 27, 2006 Share #34 Posted December 27, 2006 I am really interested in finding out if anyone in North America has received the Leica lens discount offer or knows what the US discounted prices are going to be. It gets a bit confusing deducting VAT and then adding the (unknown) import tax or duty. I suspect (and hope) that the US prices are quite a bit less than the Euro prices due to the tax differences but has someone seen these actual prices I've asked Leica USA for a price list but have not gotten an answer yet. I received the offer in English, but from Solms with German prices. scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Branch Posted December 27, 2006 Share #35 Posted December 27, 2006 Peter, I've never understood UK pricing but Leica Camera Berlin are selling the Elmar (black/chrome) for €900 which ties in with the discount now being offered. Remember these prices are coming out of Solms, not the fairy wonderland that is Milton Keynes. The Classic Camera in the UK who are big fans of creative price setting are charging £769 (€1124 tax adjusted) for the black version and £819 (€1195 tax adjusted). Anyone buying at those prices must be certifiable! Mark, The letter is quite specific, “…….preferential price, which is based on a 30% discount on an international average.” I’ve compiled an MSExcel spreadsheet - I must get out more - of the UK List retail prices inclusive of VAT and the prices in the offer. With only three exceptions the prices in the offer are within a percentage point or so of a 30% discount. So clearly, in general, UK prices track the “International Average”. The three exceptions are: - 1) The 75 f/1.4 for which the UK does not currently have a price. I have been told that it has been discontinued, (only in the UK?), because sales had fallen to “an effective zero” 2) The 50 f/2.8 which is a bit of a mystery. Regarding the Berlin price and the UK price one, or both, has to be out of line with the basis of the offer. I don’t have any idea which. It is possible that Leica wish to sell off their stock of this lens as clearly it does not fit comfortably in a market, predicted soon to be ~95% M8, because of the limitations on its use with an M8, i.e. not collapsing fully, and also because 50mm is no longer the “basic” focal length. 3) The Noctilux price could be an error as they just doesn’t want to discount it – but nowhere is such a limitation mentioned and the “offer” would not be in conformance with its stated criteria. They should have left it off the list if that is the case. Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted December 27, 2006 Author Share #36 Posted December 27, 2006 Peter, I do think you are making heavy weather of this. The prices are based on the German price list, not any cooked-up English version. If you take the current German prices and discount them by 30%, you end up with the prices being offered in the letter with the sole exception of the Noctilux. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted December 28, 2006 Share #37 Posted December 28, 2006 Peter, the 75 Lux is on my price list, Germany, which just arrived today. The price is 2307 Euro. The Noctilux is still expensive though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmsr Posted December 28, 2006 Share #38 Posted December 28, 2006 I just got my letter from Leica today. I'm in the USA and the pricing is exactly identical to what Mark posted. The letter is pretty clear that the price is the price no matter where you live. There is no adding or subtracting of shipping, VAT, import duties, or anything. Current exchange rate to calculate USD (assuming a 2% credit card fee for foreign currency) is 1.34 dollars = 1 euro. Best, Ray Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted December 28, 2006 Author Share #39 Posted December 28, 2006 Ray, I was wrong to think there would be a different price list for the US, it seems Leica want a simple "the price you see is the price you pay", so that the element of the advertised price which is German VAT (and covers all countries in the EU) is being used elsewhere to cover the variable local costs of getting the lens to the customer, taxes paid. Michael has raised this on another thread and it does look like these lens prices are less attractive for US buyers who routinely are able to avoid sales tax by buying mail order. Certainly, HK dealers advertise lenses at around the same price as this Leica list, the attraction of the Leica offer is that the lens is delivered, including (in the case of Europe) import and sales taxes paid. That Noctilux price is still a mystery though... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmsr Posted December 28, 2006 Share #40 Posted December 28, 2006 Mark, I thought and was hoping that your original guess was correct also. The Nocti was on mind to acquire with a real 30% discount. Unfortunately, this "discount" really does me no good here in the US. Best, Ray Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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