marknorton Posted December 27, 2006 Share #1 Posted December 27, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Here's the text of the letter received today from Leica - signed personally by Steven K Lee (the signature is in cyan ink, I was hoping for magenta personally LOL). I like the letter, it certainly seeks to build bridges and rebuild our trust. There's also the terms and conditions for the lens offer, most important of which is the need to supply originals of the sales receipts. Just in time, as I file everything electronically then shred! As you can see, the price for the Noctilux is still way higher than we might have expected. Decisions, Decisions... Lens Offer.pdf Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted December 27, 2006 Posted December 27, 2006 Hi marknorton, Take a look here Lens Discount Offer Letter - English Text. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
scott kirkpatrick Posted December 27, 2006 Share #2 Posted December 27, 2006 I got one too, but since I am living outside the EU, I still do not know what my eventual costs will be if I receive the lens in Israel. My "SL" signature looks different from yours. I had assumed that these were printed, but maybe he really went to the trouble of signing them all! scott Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcbjr Posted December 27, 2006 Share #3 Posted December 27, 2006 thanks for posting the letter, mark. confirms what i've been hearing, that the offer is significantly overblown, and outrageous on the noctilux. most of the lenses (converting your euro prices into dollars) end up being about 13% to 15% less than what we can get them for in the states. some better, some worse than that. it's of course still beneficial, but also beneifcial for leica as they cut out the dealer. i guess they need the dough! john Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsteve Posted December 27, 2006 Share #4 Posted December 27, 2006 As you can see, the price for the Noctilux is still way higher than we might have expected. Decisions, Decisions... [ATTACH]19566[/ATTACH] They just might not have many Noctilux to sell and price it according to discourage the sale. I don't know if we have ever seen a German made Noctilux and the Canadian made batch may be getting low in supply. The Tri-Elmars still seem like the best deal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricC Posted December 27, 2006 Share #5 Posted December 27, 2006 Mine arrived today also. Very nice offer, and as Mark and Scott have stated, signed individually by the looks of it. Eric Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted December 27, 2006 Share #6 Posted December 27, 2006 thanks for posting the letter, mark. confirms what i've been hearing, that the offer is significantly overblown, and outrageous on the noctilux. most of the lenses (converting your euro prices into dollars) end up being about 13% to 15% less than what we can get them for in the states. Some better, some worse than that. it's of course still beneficial, but also beneifcial for leica as they cut out the dealer. i guess they need the dough! john Dollar prices haven't been announced yet, and should be less than straight conversion because the taxes that must be paid are less. I have asked LeicaUSA what role they will play and what the price list will be for buyers in this plan who live in the US (I live in both the US and in Israel, so I have to choose), but I haven't gotten an answer yet. And they may not have finalized this for the other regions, since the letters from Solms have just started to get out. scott Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted December 27, 2006 Author Share #7 Posted December 27, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Mine arrived today also.Very nice offer, and as Mark and Scott have stated, signed individually by the looks of it. Eric Yes, wet finger and the ink smudges... so individually signed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterv Posted December 27, 2006 Share #8 Posted December 27, 2006 ... most important of which is the need to supply originals of the sales receipts... Mark, thanks for sharing this. I also read this in the German letter, but it makes no sense to me. I really can't understand why Leica insists on sending the original sales receipts. (of course they need proof, but a copy should suffice) My accountant will not be happy if my original gets lost...(will Leica send it back, or what?) And what if one wants to sell the camera? The new owner will want the original paperwork. And what if one needs to bring in the camera for repair under guaranty? IMO the rightfull owner should be able to keep the original sales receipts in his/her possession. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoin Posted December 27, 2006 Share #9 Posted December 27, 2006 It looks like(reading between the lines) that US customers will deal with Leica INC in NJ. No import tax. I do believe the price for the Noctilux is a missprint(well hoping anyway). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucek Posted December 27, 2006 Share #10 Posted December 27, 2006 The terms to be met are a bit concerning. I for one did not receive an original credit card receipt. Not sure what "other original forms of payment" might be. Bruce Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted December 27, 2006 Share #11 Posted December 27, 2006 They just might not have many Noctilux to sell and price it according to discourage the sale. I don't know if we have ever seen a German made Noctilux and the Canadian made batch may be getting low in supply. Yes, I've long been of the view that Noctilux lenses haven't been manufactured for a number of years and that Leica are simply selling lenses from a large but dwindling stock. Could be that the stock is now sufficiently small that Leica can begin to price it much higher. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted December 27, 2006 Share #12 Posted December 27, 2006 I really can't understand why Leica insists on sending the original sales receipts. (of course they need proof, but a copy should suffice) My accountant will not be happy if my original gets lost...(will Leica send it back, or what?) And what if one wants to sell the camera? The new owner will want the original paperwork. And what if one needs to bring in the camera for repair under guaranty? IMO the rightfull owner should be able to keep the original sales receipts in his/her possession. I can't understand it. Maybe they try to avoid fakes. I suppose they will return the document. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted December 27, 2006 Author Share #13 Posted December 27, 2006 The Noctilux at that price becomes very much a niche product - a bit like the 15mm R lens - and that extra stop costs you dear. My Noctilux was made in Canada, I think they always have been, the last output of what is now ELCAN. I also heard rumour that the 75mm/1.4 was in the same position, no current production but I may be wrong. Turns out I spoke too soon, my sales receipt has already been archived and the original shredded thanks to my super-efficient PA, so they will have to make do with a copy plus some charge card statements. I have the original for the second camera so I'll probably throw them into confusion and order both lenses at once. WATE + finder (for curiosity), definitely, can't decide on a 75mm f1.4 or the new version TE to replace my old one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted December 27, 2006 Share #14 Posted December 27, 2006 I'm glad this information has finally been made public. Cheers, Sean Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted December 27, 2006 Share #15 Posted December 27, 2006 can't decide on a 75mm f1.4 That is my doubt too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoin Posted December 27, 2006 Share #16 Posted December 27, 2006 Leica UK have told me the Summilux 75 is now discontinued(when current stocks run out). And no more will be made. FWIW Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted December 27, 2006 Author Share #17 Posted December 27, 2006 In the finish, I've just ordered the WATE+finder for now... Thought it was worth going for the finder out of curiosity. It lists at €700 but by the time you've taken the package discount off and then the 30% discount, it's down to just €280. Wouldn't want to pay more for it! It does look like the discounted prices are sensible taking into account the forthcoming tax rise which sadly means the Noctilux may well have a new euro price of €4995. If you are at all minded to buy one, it looks like you should do it sooner rather than later. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Branch Posted December 27, 2006 Share #18 Posted December 27, 2006 Leica UK have told me the Summilux 75 is now discontinued(when current stocks run out). And no more will be made. FWIW Eoin, It is also my understanding that the 75 mm f/1.4 had been discontinued - there is currently no price for it on the UK price list - perhaps they have some stock and would be glad to sell them off. I suspect the price list has two typo errors. The Noctilux-M should be €2,495, (not €3,495) and the Elmar-M 50 mm f/2.8 should be €830, (not €630). If I am correct then the offer seems to be straight forward and to average out at just over -30% from Retail List in the UK. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted December 27, 2006 Author Share #19 Posted December 27, 2006 Peter, the price list up to 31/12/2006 shows the 50/2.8 at €900 which is €630 at 30% discount. As for the Nocti, you may be right... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted December 27, 2006 Share #20 Posted December 27, 2006 I suspect the price list has two typo errors. I'm not sure they are errors - surely somebody proof read the letter and cross-checked the prices? However, if you are right, such sloppiness would seem to be par for the course in Leica-world at the moment. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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