wilfredo Posted December 28, 2006 Author Share #41 Â Posted December 28, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) My shutter button seems to work fine, no problems there although the shutter is noisy which is a minus, something we will all have to live with. I don't know if I will keep or let go of the M7, what I already know is that I will be doing a lot more shooting with this rangefinder simply because I no longer have to worry about how many frames I have left, and I don't have to make any more trips to the labs. I still prefer the feel of the M7, it feels more rugged, but it's a new world, things change and evolve and the M can't remain the same forever. Â Today I'm off to the Getty Museum, and Penelope goes with me. This is a sign to me that I'm going to do more shooting than before. I don't like lugging the Canon around so I am really happy with having the option now of a light weight camera I can take anywhere and get exceptional image quality. I have herniated discs in my neck so this is a plus for me. Yes, the silver version does make it look more like a 50's camera, which I like, I normally go Black so the change is nice. Â The Epson delivery from Amazon has been delayed again so I'm going to start looking elsewhere for it. Now I'm really eager to get the 3800. Â Guy, a lot can happen in 6 days :-). I hope Leica takes to heart the frustrations expressed on this forum, many are valid. I'm looking forward to some wonderful photography with this new tool. Â Thanks, Wilfredo+ Benitez-Rivera Photography Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wilfredo Posted December 29, 2006 Author Share #42  Posted December 29, 2006 I went off to the Getty Museum today and got some good shots but I also got some not so good stuff. Another over exposed shot on automatic (second time this happens in less than 150 shots). I've never had this happen before with other cameras in the last 4 years shooting digital with Olympus and Canon. I also got some of those strange streaks some have posted on this forum, and it seems the White Balance is not all reliable. So I took the camera back to Cal's this evening and it is being shipped back to Leica in New Jersey in the morning. I have no idea what they will do at Leica since this camera already has the updated 1.09 firmware. I hope they don't look at it, say everything is O.K., and send it back as is.  On the positive side, when the camera does what it is supposed to do, it can't be beat. But this really isn't good enough, it also needs to be reliable, a work horse, that is what the Leica name is all about. Once I get the camera back, I'll let you all know how it goes. For now, I have joined the ranks of M8 owners who had to send their camera back for repair.  I've been on a roller coaster in the last few days, first excited that I found an M8 right away, now experiencing the disappointment of it going back do soon. I'm glad I had some time off from my work this week because it gave me time to really play with the camera and discover sooner, rather than later, its issues.  Cheers, Wilfredo Benitez-Rivera Photography Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/12128-taking-the-m8-plunge/?do=findComment&comment=128612'>More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted December 29, 2006 Author Share #43  Posted December 29, 2006 Here's the streaky cropped (one of two today). I never had these issues before with my other digitals.  Wilfredo Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/12128-taking-the-m8-plunge/?do=findComment&comment=128628'>More sharing options...
khanosu Posted December 29, 2006 Share #44 Â Posted December 29, 2006 Hi Wilfredo, Â Sorry to hear that you are having these issues. You might have said this somewhere in this thread; were you shooting RAW? Especially in that over exposed picture? I have had no problem like that so far (I shoot RAW). The only problem I have is the light source at the edge banding which is very rare. I feel bad for you! Â Furrukh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsteve Posted December 29, 2006 Share #45 Â Posted December 29, 2006 Wilfredo: Â I am wondering if you have your finger on the shutter release and are locking the exposure as you bring the camera up to shoot. For example, on the bus shot above, was the camera pointed into a dark area as you raised the camera to take the picture? Â The rainbow streaks has been reported before and is related to shooting immediately after bringing the camera out of sleep. The rainbows is just some sort of sofware glitch. Hopefully it will be fixed. Â Robert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted December 29, 2006 Share #46 Â Posted December 29, 2006 Wilfredo-- 1) Re: bus shot--Is that a crop from a vertical, and is the horizontal band at the center of the image? If so, this is also a known problem, probably fixable in firmware. Â 2) As Robert said, those rainbow stripes are an artifact of taking a picture immediately on waking the camera. Waiting 1/2 sec longer will eliminate them. Behavior can probably be fixed by firmware update. Â 3) WB is indeed very inconsistent on the M8; Leica's recommendation for the moment is to shoot RAW. Hopefully that will also be fixed by firmware update. Â 4) The gross overexposure is strange unless you're accidentally locking the exposure as Robert said. Â So basically, two of the problems you mention are standard fare at the moment and probably don't require sending the box off to Solms. Not sure about problems 1 and 4. Â Gee, I'm sorry you hit this snag. Maybe we were all too enthusiastic about your purchase and jinxed it for you. Â --HC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted December 29, 2006 Share #47 Â Posted December 29, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Wilfredo, Â Sorry you have to join the ranks of us waiting for a "Solms Solution". Mine is back there at present. I did have a number, 2 or 3 frames I think, greatly overexposed as did you. I reported it along with other glitches. I expect mine to return mid January. Â I hope I will be able to report that it is cured. Â Cheers, Erl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted December 29, 2006 Share #48 Â Posted December 29, 2006 Wilfredo, I think you've jumped the gun in sending the camera back. Â These issues are all known and as Robert/HC said, the over-exposed shot may be down to the AE lock. I agree with Larry the shutter release feel is not especially good and it takes time to judge the different pressure points. I think this area of the camera's mechanical design could do with a little refining. Â As for the vertical streaking, it's said to happen when you bring the camera out of sleep, though I have never seen it myself. Â WB is bad on this camera, especially AWB and it's not something Leica NJ are going to be able to fix - we're waiting for Leica to come up with a development solution. Â Really, I think you've bought into a camera with a set of current issues which we are all living with/working through. If your camera has the sensor board modification and 1.09, it's as up to date as any. Â If I were you, I'd get your camera back, enjoy shooting with it, learn its foibles and wait for further developments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted December 29, 2006 Share #49  Posted December 29, 2006 Wilfredo, I think you've jumped the gun in sending the camera back. These issues are all known and as Robert/HC said, the over-exposed shot may be down to the AE lock. I agree with Larry the shutter release feel is not especially good and it takes time to judge the different pressure points. I think this area of the camera's mechanical design could do with a little refining.  As for the vertical streaking, it's said to happen when you bring the camera out of sleep, though I have never seen it myself.  WB is bad on this camera, especially AWB and it's not something Leica NJ are going to be able to fix - we're waiting for Leica to come up with a development solution.  Really, I think you've bought into a camera with a set of current issues which we are all living with/working through. If your camera has the sensor board modification and 1.09, it's as up to date as any.  If I were you, I'd get your camera back, enjoy shooting with it, learn its foibles and wait for further developments.   I agree with Mark here. The known issues are everything you came across and will be addressed in the next firmware update if not sooner and the camera works very well even with the warts. 1.09 is the latest fix and leica won't be able to do anything different on a repair until the next firmware update. i just spent 3 hours with a leica rep yesterday and we talked about all of this stuff and are fully aware of the known issues. The camera at wakeup can cause a current streak which is exactly what happened to you , if you waited another second most likely would not have been there. i just spent 6 days in NY with the M8 and I ot NO vertical banding, No streaking , No blobs and really no anything bad in all kinds of light and ISO under normal working conditions. i even left them 200 images to scour each image for defects, which they are doing right now. If you have the hardware fix than basically everything else that is a known issue is firmware which the vertical band diffently is. it is caused by 2 processing channels overlapping because of timing one is running faster than the other and causing the overlap. I agree with Mark get the camera back and hang on for the next firmware. There are many of us working the issues and getting Germany as much info to make fixes as quickly as possible. I tried yesterday in flourescent light to get the magenta cast and simply could not induce it with 1.06 or 1.09 camera's without the filter which was test i did yesterday until I went outside or tungsten light than used 2 differntcut filters and wiped it right out. All my images i shot in NY were with a IR filter except the 15mm and all look very normal. I would also suggest to folks if your running into issues that are differnt than the known issues with 1.09 than reload it over 1.09. I have said this several times , leica is reading this forum and listening to all the issues we are coming across, this stuff is not going unnoticed at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted December 29, 2006 Author Share #50  Posted December 29, 2006 Mark and Guy,  What you propose seems reasonable. I'll call Cal's this morning and ask them to hold off on sending the camera back. I've been thinking about the firmware and wondering what can be done at this time and basically concluding that until there is a new update, nothing can really be done. I seriously hope the WB issue can also be resolved. This seems to be a problem in situations where there is a mix lots of bright light and shade.  Mark, I'll try to be aware of the AE lock, the shot that followed the over-exposed shot was fine.  On the plus side, I've gotten "keepers." On the two times I've been out with the camera I've come back with some satisfying pictures. Here's another one, although this is a blurry time exposure, not what most Leica shooters go for, I will add this one to the "Shadows, Forms, and Silhouettes" section of my webpage. This was shot at the Getty, at the Photography exhibit. I have to confess that I broke the rules as I was snapping away shooting from the hip right under the nose of the guards. Even with the noisy shutter, I was never detected, the noise from the people drowned out the shutter. I have to say that with this camera, it was very easy to shoot under these circumstances.   Cheers, Wilfredo Benitez-Rivera Photography Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/12128-taking-the-m8-plunge/?do=findComment&comment=129082'>More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted December 29, 2006 Author Share #51 Â Posted December 29, 2006 In the event that the above picture may look like a double exposure to some, it isn't. There was a glass case with some books in it and part of the man's hand can be seen through the glass case. Â Cheers, Wilfredo+ Benitez-Rivera Photography Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted December 29, 2006 Share #52 Â Posted December 29, 2006 Wilfredo . Honestly i think this is a good call right now . one thing i think a lot of folks forget too is these are not just P&S camera's and really we need to be broken in to them. took a long time to get the DMR under control they why we like. It's all a process to get comfortable with it too even though you are a M shooter it is a differnt way to work and the processes are different. For me the M style is new and a whole new learning curve buti am enjoying the hell out of it. But i am really glad you got one and look forward to hearing from you as a user now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted December 29, 2006 Share #53 Â Posted December 29, 2006 Wilfredo-- You're doing the right thing; I suggested above not shipping the M8 off but didn't want to make it explicit. Â You're among the lucky ones who have the camera (I don't), and as Guy and Mark said, it still has its sharp edges. But you've got an opportunity with it that at the moment most people on the forum don't have, and you've got the ability to watch the problems get straightened out. Â Hang in there! Â --HC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
larry Posted December 29, 2006 Share #54 Â Posted December 29, 2006 Wilfredo, Â I agree with Mark and Guy, the problems with your camera don't warrant sending it back. The auto-white balance is poor -- something I found out right away -- and there are other quirks, but Leica Ms have never been been P&S cameras. They've always demanded your attention and respect, and now we have a new set of idiosyncrasies to live with. Leica should be able to iron out some of these wrinkles in the next firmware iteration. Â Part of the appeal the M8 has for me is that I can control everything and do it very easily -- just like a film M. Changing the basic shooting parameters is so quick and easy using the Set button that I've already made it a habit to change them in every shooting situation. (I'll set up profiles once I figure out the ones I'll use most.) Â Larry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted December 29, 2006 Author Share #55 Â Posted December 29, 2006 Well, I got the camera back before it was shipped. Mark the manager over at Cal's told me he would call Leica about my concerns and get back to me. I hard copied some of the posts here and shared them with Mark, he was very interested. Â On another note, have any of you noticed an electrical sound coming from your camera when you put your finger on the shutter? It's like you can hear the circuits firing, it's very faint, but its there. Â Also, I managed to put some tiny scratches on the plastic of the LCD screen. It seems to be very prone to scratching since all it did was rub against my shirt when I went our shooting the first time. To protect the screen I put a Promaster LCD screen protector on it. Mark over at Cal's gave me a free packet. Â Cheers, Wilfredo+ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted December 29, 2006 Share #56 Â Posted December 29, 2006 Wilfred, these "electrical sounds". Do they sound like high pitched whistles? If so, you might be hearing bizzing from the transformers in there. My hearing is long since past being able to detect things like that... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
khanosu Posted December 29, 2006 Share #57  Posted December 29, 2006 No, pressed my ears to the camera and can hear nothing while touching/pressing the shutter – dead silence.  Furrukh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted December 29, 2006 Author Share #58 Â Posted December 29, 2006 If you hold the camera to your ear it sounds like you have a buzz in your ear. It is only audible when I press slightly on the shutter button. I won't worry about it unless the camera starts to short circuit, but it is interesting that Furrukh only gets dead silence. I can also here the sound when I use the self timer, that's when I first discovered it. Â Wilfredo+ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsteve Posted December 29, 2006 Share #59  Posted December 29, 2006 If you hold the camera to your ear it sounds like you have a buzz in your ear. It is only audible when I press slightly on the shutter button. I won't worry about it unless the camera starts to short circuit, but it is interesting that Furrukh only gets dead silence. I can also here the sound when I use the self timer, that's when I first discovered it. Wilfredo+  Wilfredo:  I hear this stuff from my DMR and I think even the M8 I was using in Yosemite. Some of us just have hearing more tuned to this electronic noise frequency. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
khanosu Posted December 29, 2006 Share #60 Â Posted December 29, 2006 Hi Wilfredo, Â Robert is right about hearing sensitivity. I just did an experiment. When I press the shutter my daughter can start hearing the high pitched noise form 6 inches. My wife can start hearing it from 4 inches. I can not hear it even with my ears pressed against the camera. Time to have my hearing checked LOL Â Furrukh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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