Asher Kelman Posted December 25, 2006 Share #1  Posted December 25, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi,  I've been talking to Apple about aperture having capability with Leica DNG files.  Has anyone managed to trick Aperture into working with any Leica DNGs?  Please add your name so we can show them they should get off their collective butts!  Asher  http://www.openphotographyforums.com Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted December 25, 2006 Share #2 Â Posted December 25, 2006 I have been waiting for Aperture to support DNG for ages. I am tired of this. Â Â Never saw a SW like Aperture which is as bad, especially if you compare to the capabilities of PS CS 2/3 or Lightroom. Simply forget Aperture - sorry for Apple, but this is the result of the experiences I had with Aperture. Â Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asher Kelman Posted December 25, 2006 Author Share #3  Posted December 25, 2006 I have been waiting for Aperture to support DNG for ages. I am tired of this.  Never saw a SW like Aperture which is as bad, especially if you compare to the capabilities of PS CS 2/3 or Lightroom. Simply forget Aperture - sorry for Apple, but this is the result of the experiences I had with Aperture.  Peter  What didn't you like about aperture? What is that you find "bad" ?  Asher  The Open Photography Forums Initiative Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerndReini Posted December 26, 2006 Share #4 Â Posted December 26, 2006 I love Aperture and used it with great results with my 5D. I hope they get going and work on supporting the Leica DNG. I would push the issue harder but I can't seem to get my preordered black M8 anyway. Let's all E-mail the aperture team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradreiman Posted December 26, 2006 Share #5 Â Posted December 26, 2006 I emailed the aperture support page on their website and I hope apple will get on the ball and get leica dng support into the os. aperture is part of my workflow and i have been storing all my dng's waiting to process them with aperture. currently i am only working on the jpgs in aperture and waiting for the dng's.....b Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
canlogic Posted December 26, 2006 Share #6  Posted December 26, 2006 I have been waiting for Aperture to support DNG for ages. I am tired of this.  Never saw a SW like Aperture which is as bad, especially if you compare to the capabilities of PS CS 2/3 or Lightroom. Simply forget Aperture - sorry for Apple, but this is the result of the experiences I had with Aperture.  Peter  You obviously have never used it. First it does not replace CS2. Lightroom isn't even in the same league. For my 1D and 5D files it does the best job at conversion for now I have to use C1 pro for my M8 but I know Apple is working on compatiblity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted December 26, 2006 Share #7  Posted December 26, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) What didn't you like about aperture? What is that you find "bad" ? Asher  The Open Photography Forums Initiative  Some I do not like:  1) No DMR and M8 support and no solution in sight 2) Try printing where you want to have your picture outside the center - not possible, at least I could not achieve that - in Lightroom this is very intuitive 3) No Tone Cuve as in Lightroom and C1 Pro, which is a far better tool than thw Lvels in Aperture  I see Aperture as a further developed iPhoto6, which is not bad but not the real thing needed for serious photographers.  Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted December 26, 2006 Share #8 Â Posted December 26, 2006 You obviously have never used it. First it does not replace CS2. Lightroom isn't even in the same league. For my 1D and 5D files it does the best job at conversion for now I have to use C1 pro for my M8 but I know Apple is working on compatiblity. Â How cn you say I have never used it - I would never post this if I had not. Â I am using Aperture since 6 months now and compare all the time to PS CS2 (and lately also 3) as well as C1 Pro, which I am already using since 2 years. And Lightroom Beta as well. Â I first liked Aperture very much because it seemed to do things easier and faster than others and I liked the all in one approach, which is mising in C1 Pro (no printing). Â Having compared very extnsively I find Lightroom (although Beta and with some flaws) much more intuitive and straight forward than Aperture, especially liking the DEVELOP section and the PRINT section. Â And then I started to understand that also PS CS with Bridge is giving all the functionality like developing in Camera RAW and printing in PS, which after having understood all the principles behind PS (this is maybe a big hurdle for many of us because of complexity). Â Actually it is pretty obvious what Apple and Adobe try to do with their products, they are designing new all in one packages for photographers - Aperture which bears all the iPhoto functionality and adds to it as well as Lightroom which bears a subset of PS functionality combined with almost all the Bridge functionality nd adds new GUI. Â This is a good evolution, but as I said - comparing the latest Lightroom Beta with Aperture then Aperture clearly looses. Maybe this will be changing by future versions, but for the moment this is the case. Â Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted December 26, 2006 Share #9 Â Posted December 26, 2006 Some last on Aperture compatibility to DMR and M8: Â I do not know how long you all are following this, but for my patience it is getting too long! It would be a minimal effort for Apple to support DNG, the main reason why they are not putting normal speed on this is because of their natural competition with Adobe. And because of this there is still no DNG support and hence no DMR and M8 supprt. Â How fast are they with other manufacturers? A few weeks after a new Canon or Nikon appears on the market they have the RAW profiles. Even better if you look into C1 Pro, they had the D200 profile while the first models shipped, so never any problem and they of course also support DMR and M8. Â So no more excuses for Apple here, there is a time indow (market winow) for each product and feature and when this is not used, it is then too late, because there ome better products of different venors to the market, which not only support these features, but also add other useful functionality - Lightroom. Â Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
primetime1001 Posted December 26, 2006 Share #10  Posted December 26, 2006 I emailed the aperture support page on their website and I hope apple will get on the ball and get leica dng support into the os. aperture is part of my workflow and i have been storing all my dng's waiting to process them with aperture. currently i am only working on the jpgs in aperture and waiting for the dng's.....b  Yes, that's what is happening to me, I am getting to know Aperture and love it's ease of use - come on Apple get with it!  Hugh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
primetime1001 Posted December 26, 2006 Share #11  Posted December 26, 2006 Hi, I've been talking to Apple about aperture having capability with Leica DNG files.  Has anyone managed to trick Aperture into working with any Leica DNGs?  Please add your name so we can show them they should get off their collective butts!  Asher   To contact Apple re Aperture - go to:  Apple - Aperture - Feedback  Hugh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EH21 Posted December 26, 2006 Share #12 Â Posted December 26, 2006 Hi Asher, Well you already know from my posts at OPF that I would love to have Aperture work the Leica Files. Unlike the poster above, I find it much better in use than Lightroom and C1 for my Canon 1ds and 5D files. It is much much faster to rank sort and keyword files and I think all the journal, web gallery features are excellent as well. Now that is not to say I can't think of some improvements for Aperture - I've got a whole list actually. I still have to use lightroom for my leica files and its just so much slower to make my selects and deal with images from my shoot. Eric Hiss Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted December 26, 2006 Share #13 Â Posted December 26, 2006 HI Asher Happy Christmas (I will post some photos soon - I promise!). I thought the thread here about mac/pc usage was a real eye opener, and should have been a poke in the backside for Apple. Â I've been using Aperture since March, and I really love it - I've been using Lightroom for the M8 files, and it's okay, but I've been shooting jpg files for the last few days, and going back to Aperture has been such a joy. Â Tim and others seem sure that it is coming, and, to be honest, I can't see how Aperture can be seen as a professional tool if it doesn't support current digital cameras (it's bad enough that they don't support old cameras like the Kodak SLR/n). Â Here's hoping Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted December 26, 2006 Share #14  Posted December 26, 2006 If you visit the Aperture Discussions on Apple's Support site, there are many people waiting for Leica RAW support. I am very tired of waiting for RAW support. What really annoys me is that a camera Like the Sony A100 appeared and support was added almost instantly.  You could also try looking at this thread, too.  Apple - Support - Discussions - Lumix DMC-LX1 RAW with Aperture: here's ...  A search using 'Leica' on the Aperture discussion boards.  Apple - Support - Discussions - Search Discussions  I just cannot understand why Adobe can manage it but Apple drag their heels so much.  Regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted December 26, 2006 Share #15 Â Posted December 26, 2006 I think that the main issue is the competitive situation between Apple and Aperture, if it comes down to Workflow SW support. Â I am almost sure this is the reason for the short sighted behaviour of Apple. They do not understand that potential users are forced to go for different SW as long as there is no DNG support. But maybe the whole area of professional photography is not really taken too serious at Apple or they just concentrate on the big mass products. Â On the other side - if this is the case then maybe the decision of Leica to support DNG was wrong? Maybe a different RAW profile (proprietary) would have made it faster into Aperture? Â Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted December 26, 2006 Share #16  Posted December 26, 2006 I think that the main issue is the competitive situation between Apple and Aperture, if it comes down to Workflow SW support. I am almost sure this is the reason for the short sighted behaviour of Apple. They do not understand that potential users are forced to go for different SW as long as there is no DNG support. But maybe the whole area of professional photography is not really taken too serious at Apple or they just concentrate on the big mass products.  On the other side - if this is the case then maybe the decision of Leica to support DNG was wrong? Maybe a different RAW profile (proprietary) would have made it faster into Aperture?  Peter  Well, whatever the reason, Aperture has been available since October 2005, touting itself as the choice for professional photography. And yet, as of this writing, it supports one camera (The Digilux 2).  How difficult can it be to just add DNG support? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghindle Posted February 19, 2007 Share #17 Â Posted February 19, 2007 I have been using Aperture from day 1 - i also made the wrong assumption that as it supported dng then it would work with my DMR. Â I switched over to Lightroom but dont find it as nice to use. I am now back with C1 for raw conversion , i save the DNG's out to disk, import Tiffs into Aperture. Â Decided to stick with this. Â I also have problems using my RIP with both Lightroom and Aperture, so have to export for high quality prints as well. Â Its never as easy as i think it ought to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wstotler Posted February 19, 2007 Share #18 Â Posted February 19, 2007 I'm not happy about Apple being slow to support the M8 in Aperture. Wish they'd get to that sooner rather than later. -Will Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LichMD Posted February 19, 2007 Share #19 Â Posted February 19, 2007 I have used Aperture for a couple of months, then switched to LR and C1 when I purchased the M8. I have successfully used Eoins workaround to import DNGs into Aperture for the past 4 or 5 days. Prefer Aperture, would love for it to natively support the M8 DNGs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irakly Shanidze Posted February 20, 2007 Share #20 Â Posted February 20, 2007 Do not light your candles yet. Apple is actually talking to me about assisting in promoting Aperture, and it as quite an unpleasant surprize that it did not support two out of my three main cameras You see, aperture supports only formats supported by OS X, and Leica M8 is not on the list in 10.4. It most likely will be in Leopard. Irakly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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