arthury Posted May 9, 2010 Share #1 Posted May 9, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi guys, I have not found a way to adjust the contrast of the M9's LCD. Mine is displaying images that are a little garish for my taste. All images were shot in DNG. When I uploaded them to the desktop computer, LR 2.7 displayed the images beautifully. I am using the latest firmware. Please share your findings, please? Thanks, Arthur Y. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DFV Posted May 9, 2010 Share #2 Posted May 9, 2010 Hi guys,I have not found a way to adjust the contrast of the M9's LCD. Mine is displaying images that are a little garish for my taste. All images were shot in DNG. When I uploaded them to the desktop computer, LR 2.7 displayed the images beautifully. I am using the latest firmware. Please share your findings, please? Thanks, Arthur Y. Hi Arthur, Yes, Mine are a bit greenish. To be honest it is a very poor display considering the camera. I really do not use it for anything else but to check the framing of the shot since the colors and contrast displayed are very misleading. As you say the picture looks like the exposure is wrong yet once in LR everything is just fine. I am not really bothered by it anymore. I have also notice that with the new firmware update the previews take a couple of seconds to sharpen. Anybody else notice that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted May 9, 2010 Share #3 Posted May 9, 2010 I have also notice that with the new firmware update the previews take a couple of seconds to sharpen. Anybody else notice that? It doesn’t actually take a couple of seconds in my experience, but yes, this is normal behaviour. Btw, you can zoom in immediately; there’s no need to wait for the high-resolution image to be rendered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted May 9, 2010 Share #4 Posted May 9, 2010 1. Yep - the M9 LCD settings are not as representative of the picture as the M8's were. I assume the extra contrast was added to "burn through" any glare off the LCD glass and help make the image more visible in sunlight, and possibly to cut power consumption (? - not sure if less light in the shadows actually means less power used for illumination - ?). 2. The slow sharpening is a by-product of a FW change requested by users. Previously, the low-res image was sharp, but there was a delay when one started to zoom in (while the hi-res loaded). People complained about that. Now, the hi-res image loads automatically (the "jump" to a sharper image) for more immediate zooming - but the fast low-res is fuzzier. Win some, lose some. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthury Posted May 10, 2010 Author Share #5 Posted May 10, 2010 Thanks, Andy and DFV. I wonder if they will improve on the LCD in future firmware releases. Anyone? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted May 10, 2010 Share #6 Posted May 10, 2010 Well, I think Leica thinks it already IS an improvement (over the M8, in bright sunlight) as it is. That is a problem with any factory or firmware setting - there will always be people who prefer sunlight visibility over accurate representation - and vice versa. The firmware that makes one group happy makes others demand "improvement". Personally, I'm with you. I'd prefer less contrast even if it's harder to see pix in certain light. I think it does a disservice to the camera's capabilities, especially if someone picks up the M9 in a shop and tries to judge its IQ (as they did and have since 09/09/09) from the LCD, and says "Oooo, nasty contrasty images with no dynamic range." But if it is something that can be changed in firmware - and they change it - the sunlight viewers will call it a downgrade. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthury Posted May 10, 2010 Author Share #7 Posted May 10, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Andy, I was thinking more along the line of a new menu item that allow the user to set the contrast of the LCD display, like the way it is available in most of the pro Nikon/Canon bodies. I think it is a useful thing to have. That way, both groups of users can be satisfied. As you have already said, the display is quite an inaccurate representation of the actual image. So, when one is in the field shooting and have to make a decision on whether to reshoot or not, life becomes complicated when the display is not telling the truth. It just makes it that much more difficult to decide. The obvious solution is to make use of the bracketing feature but that will fill up the SD card with junks that need to be deleted away when you get back. Is there a feedback webpage in Leica where owners can suggest improvements? -- Arthur Y. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlatkob Posted May 10, 2010 Share #8 Posted May 10, 2010 As you have already said, the display is quite an inaccurate representation of the actual image. The display should really be improved. The display is an important tool on digital cameras, so its quality really matters. Even very small cameras like the Canon G10 and Leica V-Lux 20 have bigger, more detailed displays. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted May 10, 2010 Share #9 Posted May 10, 2010 The problem is the LCD, not preferences set in firmware. It is a bad joke for a camera of this price. When you compare the screen of the M8 or M9 with one of those screens of inexpensive reflex cameras or even compacts... well... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 10, 2010 Share #10 Posted May 10, 2010 You could go into menu and dial monitor brightness down. I have it that way in my user profile for indoor shooting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elgenper Posted May 10, 2010 Share #11 Posted May 10, 2010 The problem is the LCD, not preferences set in firmware. It is a bad joke for a camera of this price. When you compare the screen of the M8 or M9 with one of those screens of inexpensive reflex cameras or even compacts... well... Indeed, the previews are nowhere near the true quality of the images... But, they´re far better than on my ancient M2..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted May 10, 2010 Share #12 Posted May 10, 2010 But, they´re far better than on my ancient M2..... Well my M2 is a new fangled '59 model, but while you are looking at the screen, or even focus scale you are missing photo opps. Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthury Posted May 10, 2010 Author Share #13 Posted May 10, 2010 You could go into menu and dial monitor brightness down. I have it that way in my user profile for indoor shooting. Jaap, I have tried it but it did not take away the garish colors; specifically, the green/yellow segment of the color spectrum is rather overboard. It almost looks as if the preview of the DNG is set to some really vivid color profile. Are you all seeing the same thing on yours? In short, the size of the LCD can be improved but the I am more concerned about the color display right now. -- Arthur Y. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 10, 2010 Share #14 Posted May 10, 2010 Not that I am blown away with the quality of the LCD, quite the opposite, but I cannot say that I find the colours particularly garish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted May 10, 2010 Share #15 Posted May 10, 2010 Are you shooting JPEG? This will make a difference - especially if the WB isn't right. Seriously - does anyone ever evaluate an image on the rear screen. It's there to confirm that you framed OK and that exposure's not screwed. Period. If the histogram's OK and you didn't cut off their feet, wait until you got home to see if the colour's good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giordano Posted May 10, 2010 Share #16 Posted May 10, 2010 Maybe Leica heard the diehards here who claim chimping is evil and a digital M shouldn't have a monitor at all --- and thought "well, we needn't put a high priority on giving the M9 a better monitor"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdtaylor Posted May 10, 2010 Share #17 Posted May 10, 2010 Are you shooting JPEG? This will make a difference - especially if the WB isn't right. Seriously - does anyone ever evaluate an image on the rear screen. It's there to confirm that you framed OK and that exposure's not screwed. Period. If the histogram's OK and you didn't cut off their feet, wait until you got home to see if the colour's good. I think this is the only option, since there are not any others. At least we have RGB histograms. I can live with it, but as I stated, not much choice. I have heard the idea floated that using one of the 920,000 pixel screens, like the Nikons, would drain the battery, but then why can my Lumix P&S do a far nicer job with its tiny battery? Chris is right- wait until your home, and concentrate on taking pictures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted May 10, 2010 Share #18 Posted May 10, 2010 The LCD display is not great and is yet another example of penny-pinching by Leica. No top LCD display, no sapphire glass, low rent paint finish, basement rent LCD display. I'm surprised the bean-counters didn't get their way of leaving out other components... "This Kodak thing? What's that for anyway?" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted May 10, 2010 Share #19 Posted May 10, 2010 I have heard the idea floated that using one of the 920,000 pixel screens, like the Nikons, would drain the battery There is no 921,000 pixels panel with the required dimensions, just 230,000 pixels. Going beyond 2.5" would have required a redesign of the body. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthury Posted May 10, 2010 Author Share #20 Posted May 10, 2010 I guess I have live with using Low for the Display Turn on Highlight check the histogram Still, the colors of the display is certainly quite different compared to the M8. Thanks, guys, for providing some interim solutions. Appreciate it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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