Nicoleica Posted August 17, 2010 Share #201 Â Posted August 17, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Sorry all. It was just a thought intended to help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ivsphoto Posted August 22, 2010 Share #202 Â Posted August 22, 2010 To All who sent the camera to Leica service to fix the skin peeling off issue: did you send the entire original box with all the parts included or just a camera? Â Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pvak Posted August 22, 2010 Share #203 Â Posted August 22, 2010 Actually, it might not be quite as easy as it might appear to stick vulcanite back once it has become detached. As soon as you start applying glue and then press the vulcanite back in place it tends to distort and stretch a little. Far better to send it back to Leica. Â Actually, it was the easiest thing in the world to fix. The vulcanite is quite stiff (which is why it peels off the curved surfaces when using an inferior adhesive) and does not distort at all. I carefully applied some high quality contact cement to both the underside of the vulcanite and the metal body (which by the way was clean without any old glue residue - which goes to show you what a poor job was done in applying the vulcanite originally). Waited a couple of minutes for the cement to dry; pressed the surfaces together and voila! This was almost three months ago and I've had no more problems with peeling and I challenge anyone to tell the difference between the original seams and the ones I glued back! This is not rocket science folks and I was told by Leica that fixing it myself (since it is only a cosmetic flaw) would have no effect on the warranty. Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest badbob Posted August 23, 2010 Share #204 Â Posted August 23, 2010 Actually' date=' it was the easiest thing in the world to fix. The vulcanite is quite stiff (which is why it peels off the curved surfaces when using an inferior adhesive) and does not distort at all. I carefully applied some high quality contact cement to both the underside of the vulcanite and the metal body (which by the way was clean without any old glue residue - which goes to show you what a poor job was done in applying the vulcanite originally). Waited a couple of minutes for the cement to dry; pressed the surfaces together and voila! This was almost three months ago and I've had no more problems with peeling and I challenge anyone to tell the difference between the original seams and the ones I glued back! This is not rocket science folks and I was told by Leica that fixing it myself (since it is only a cosmetic flaw) would have no effect on the warranty. Peter[/quote'] Â A large part of the price of the X1 is the by-hand assembly, so the camera doesn't look quite like the machine-made cameras such as the DL4. And when Leica is hurrying up the by-hand operations for whatever reason (to meet quotas they're way behind on?) and peeling skins are the result, then you're being cheated out of part of your $2000 purchase price. That's just wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hythe Posted August 23, 2010 Share #205  Posted August 23, 2010 To All who sent the camera to Leica service to fix the skin peeling off issue: did you send the entire original box with all the parts included or just a camera?  Thanks! Just the camera. When they replace it with a new one they give you a new passport. So I've now got three X1s registered. And when the skin starts peeling on this one it will be X1 Nº four . . . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen.w Posted August 23, 2010 Share #206 Â Posted August 23, 2010 Sorry to hear about everyone's bad experiences with the peeling vulcanite. I've had my X1 since the beginning of March and have done a fair amount of traveling this year. The camera has seen some very hot and humid conditions (as well as a scooter accident - in which it fared far better than me!) and I have had no trouble with it thus far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hythe Posted August 23, 2010 Share #207 Â Posted August 23, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Sorry to hear about everyone's bad experiences with the peeling vulcanite. I've had my X1 since the beginning of March and have done a fair amount of traveling this year. The camera has seen some very hot and humid conditions (as well as a scooter accident - in which it fared far better than me!) and I have had no trouble with it thus far. That's good to hear Stephen. But it is such a shame that Leica problems such as the peeling skin on X1 and, on its binoculars. And badly fitting X1 battery doors are being reported by so many buyers. The reputation that Leica built over many decades could suffer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivsphoto Posted September 7, 2010 Share #208 Â Posted September 7, 2010 Hi All, Just got my camera back from the service today. Seems they found a way to fix it in house. The description says: replacement of the leather for each side of the camera. We shall see how good is the new glue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pvak Posted September 8, 2010 Share #209 Â Posted September 8, 2010 A large part of the price of the X1 is the by-hand assembly, so the camera doesn't look quite like the machine-made cameras such as the DL4. And when Leica is hurrying up the by-hand operations for whatever reason (to meet quotas they're way behind on?) and peeling skins are the result, then you're being cheated out of part of your $2000 purchase price. That's just wrong. Â You are, of course, quite right! There is absolutely no reason at all why a $2000 camera should have such a basic negligent quality control fault as a "peeling skin". It is typical of Leica hubris that they won't even admit to the problem. My point was that it is far easier to just fix the skin yourself rather than sending it back to Leica for who knows how long and without any real guarantee that they will get it right the second time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest badbob Posted September 8, 2010 Share #210 Â Posted September 8, 2010 There is absolutely no reason at all why a $2000 camera should have such a basic negligent quality control fault as a "peeling skin". Â The discussion of peeling skin has been well covered now (no pun intended), until the topic of special editions came up. So I wonder if there's even one X1 purchaser in this world who ordered a special edition (for example ostrich hide), at great extra cost, just so they could get a skin that doesn't peel. Â I've been through worse things with other big-name manufacturers, who created products that fit a particular niche with me so well that I paid lots of extra money just to get one item working correctly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pvak Posted September 8, 2010 Share #211 Â Posted September 8, 2010 So I wonder if there's even one X1 purchaser in this world who ordered a special edition (for example ostrich hide), at great extra cost, just so they could get a skin that doesn't peel. Â And adding insult ($840) to injury, who is to say that the "ostrich skin" won't peel either??? :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted September 8, 2010 Share #212 Â Posted September 8, 2010 The price I saw was $400 more. Are you calculating by converting, because the usd price I saw was 2400 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phancj Posted September 9, 2010 Share #213 Â Posted September 9, 2010 Think a skinless X1 is still a great performer, it may well be a new limited edition- Skinless X1 haha. Â Seriously won't give the skin much thought, worst come to worst we can strip all the skin off fill it with epoxy, sprinkle some vulcanite tiny bits. It will created a more textured feel, and will likely last more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravinj Posted September 9, 2010 Share #214  Posted September 9, 2010 I've been through worse things with other big-name manufacturers  When I took the delivery of my brand new Mercedes Benz 4 years ago and my wife switched on the rear A/C a LOUD rattling came up. It turned out that the A/C motor was broken. This despite the fact that the dealer is supposed to do a pre-delivery inspection and there is a $ amount build in the price for that. Anyway, it was fixed by MB and apologies given. Problems with big-name manufacturers are not rare (Lexus, anyone?). The way they are handled by the manufacturer is important. This is not to say that shoddy construction and shipping out untested products is the way to go. It is just that the world is not perfect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phancj Posted September 9, 2010 Share #215  Posted September 9, 2010 The discussion of peeling skin has been well covered now (no pun intended), until the topic of special editions came up. So I wonder if there's even one X1 purchaser in this world who ordered a special edition (for example ostrich hide), at great extra cost, just so they could get a skin that doesn't peel. I've been through worse things with other big-name manufacturers, who created products that fit a particular niche with me so well that I paid lots of extra money just to get one item working correctly.  At the rate that some (sadly including myself, oh no!) have been less than flattering on people who blow so much cash just to be different do you honestly think anyone with the ostrich skin X1 is going to post on this thread and risk possible ridicule? Haha!  Unless he is a true masochist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicoleica Posted September 10, 2010 Share #216  Posted September 10, 2010 At the rate that some (sadly including myself, oh no!) have been less than flattering on people who blow so much cash just to be different do you honestly think anyone with the ostrich skin X1 is going to post on this thread and risk possible ridicule? Haha! Unless he is a true masochist.  They will probably just stick their head in the ground. (Sorry, but somebody just had to say it!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phancj Posted September 11, 2010 Share #217 Â Posted September 11, 2010 Truthfully I am vegetarian so I rather no leather is used. Also part of the reason why I wouldn't go out to buy any leather camera bags. Â The other thing is with leather there is a big chance of having mould (especially so in the tropical humid place like where I live) which can mess up the lens. I think even in the X1 manual there is specific instructions for storage where they discourage keeping the camera in a leather bag for extended periods. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hythe Posted September 11, 2010 Share #218 Â Posted September 11, 2010 They will probably just stick their head in the ground. (Sorry, but somebody just had to say it!) Nicole may have been joking, but when it comes to a fault, in my experience (peeling skin on two X1s and a pair of bins) Leica have their head very deeply buried and just will not admit there has been this problem. Personally I think it is ridiculous to behave like this when they charge such a high price for their product. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardM8 Posted September 12, 2010 Share #219 Â Posted September 12, 2010 I must be missing something... Â From what I read it seems like Leica is repairing and replacing the faulty units out there. What do we want? Leica making a big public announcement about it or start a billboard campaign with the 'skin man' from the factory clubbed to death on the parking lot?... Â Â Â Â Mine is still fine. Including weeks of abuse with dirty sweaty hands in the blistering heat of Thailand. So is the one from a friend who's anything but careful with it. He doesn't even use a bag. Just as I think that about 99% of the X1 out there are faultless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pvak Posted September 12, 2010 Share #220  Posted September 12, 2010 I must be missing something... From what I read it seems like Leica is repairing and replacing the faulty units out there. What do we want? Leica making a big public announcement about it or start a billboard campaign with the 'skin man' from the factory clubbed to death on the parking lot?...  No it is not a billboard campaign that we want! Only a bit of straightforward honesty! All we are asking for is a simple statement from Leica admitting that there was a problem with the adhesive used on the X1 and that they have a solution and once fixed, it won't peel again. Not too much to ask! However, what I got from Leica service is an outright lie when they told me that they "never" heard of this problem, that I was the only one. Sure they would fix it but once they lied to me I couldn't trust them to fix it well. If they won't admit that there is a problem , then what's my guarantee that they won't use the same crap adhesive and I'll have the problem again. Indeed, that is exactly what happened to some people when the skin of their "fixed" X1s started to peel again. And that's why I fixed it myself! I know that my work is at least guaranteed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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