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Hi all,

 

S MODE on Leica M8.2 is the biggest crap Leica has ever invented...every time by accident my camera is on this mode, the camera just doesn't function anymore !!!!

 

JUST WANTED TO MENTION THIS LITTLE FRUSTRATION :mad:

 

Cheers to all :)

 

Vince

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Jeff S

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Agree that it's crap. But, after a year, I've never mistakenly set it.

 

You can tell by looking at the red LED in the viewfinder. If you see just a red dot, and it stays that way even after rotating aperture ring, you know you're in that mode. In addition, you should be able to count clicks on the shutter dial...plus, S mode is between 4000 and A, and the latter shows seconds on the LED.

 

Jeff

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rob_x2004

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So tell me what is wrong with floating the ISO? Funny how all these people who beat their chest like they shoot manual when using AE get the greeblies when something that extends a capability comes along because they cant figure it out. Or are you saying just Leicas version is shit?

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menos I M6

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So tell me what is wrong with floating the ISO? Funny how all these people who beat their chest like they shoot manual when using AE get the greeblies when something that extends a capability comes along because they cant figure it out. Or are you saying just Leicas version is shit?

 

Rob, if S mode would be just that AE + Auto ISO - everything would be sound and fine, as it would be a welcome and usable shooting mode on the dial.

 

This actual issue with "S" mode is, that it locks out vital camera functions entirely, which experienced shooters use frequently - set menu access, raw files, to name just 2.

 

I for myself would like to see Leica providing an Solms upgrade to my shutter dial, to lock it entirely out of "S".

 

This would bring me back the "use in the dark dial" of my M6 classic, which can be operated entirely by feel - one direction "B", the other direction the fastest shutter and in between the shutter speeds, I can set by feel - PERFECT SOLUTION.

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You get no argument out of me that the smaller set back shutter speed dial is far better solution than the big gumby front mounts, and that Leica are usually pretty lazy in thinking things through, but the only aperture selection is on the lens, so doesnt setting S at least nestle the ISO against a usable shutter speed for coded lenses? All they would need is a user defined max min shutter speed in S mode and you would have something usable surely? How is it set up at the moment? The idea of floating ISO by setting shutter speed and f/stop would be great idea but how many Leica users are capable of thinking that through within the range of the existing sensors.

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menos I M6

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Rob - you might confused the AE + Auto ISO part of my post (I cannot clearly understand your last post ;-), but give it a try).

 

At the moment, the Leica M8.2 has AE + the possibility, to activate Auto ISO in the menu.

It might have been a nice conversion of the existing "S" mode into exactly the same "A" mode, as it is, just with Auto ISO activated in the menu.

 

This way, the user can shoot without AutoISO (I prefer that) and just choose AE only or even AE + AutoISO via the "new S" mode.

 

The possibility, to override AutoISO on in all modes still remains via the menu AutoISO option.

 

This way, Leica could stick some use into the strange "S" mode without locking the user out with important functions.

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So what were they going to fill the hole in with, without retooling for the 8.2, and for the majority of Leica users who cant think their way past their elbows. Are you shouting at me:rolleyes::D:D:D. Damn good idea, you can argue poor application.

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Rob, if S mode would be just that AE + Auto ISO - everything would be sound and fine, as it would be a welcome and usable shooting mode on the dial.

 

This actual issue with "S" mode is, that it locks out vital camera functions entirely, which experienced shooters use frequently - set menu access, raw files, to name just 2.

 

I for myself would like to see Leica providing an Solms upgrade to my shutter dial, to lock it entirely out of "S".

 

This would bring me back the "use in the dark dial" of my M6 classic, which can be operated entirely by feel - one direction "B", the other direction the fastest shutter and in between the shutter speeds, I can set by feel - PERFECT SOLUTION.

The S mode is not meant for experienced shooters....:rolleyes:
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One thing that Leica could have added to the firmware would be an 'S' mode override - i.e. make it a second AE mode setting for those of us who don't ever want to use it. I had a number of occasions where I'd accidentally put the camera into 'S' vs AE mode when looking through the viewfinder. That's the real ergonomic issue. Not an insurmountable problem for pictures other than I'd end up missing a shot or having to retake it due to the auto-everything kicking in and producing a noisy bright jpg instead of what I'd intended.

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The idea of floating ISO by setting shutter speed and f/stop would be great idea but how many Leica users are capable of thinking that through within the range of the existing sensors.

 

That's exactly how the X1 operates and how many people use their M8/9 (although I prefer to set ISO manually on the M8 to keep it as low as possible).

 

Mark

 

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I like the S mode and use it occasionally...what is the actual problem with it?

 

Andy

 

No problem so long as you are expecting to be in this mode. It is what it is ... which is 'Snapshot' or as I prefer to think of it 'Simple' mode. Auto exposure, auto-ISO, auto-WB and JPG only - you just set the aperture and chose where to meter and off you go.

 

Were S mode to enable RAW capture then it would be somewhat more useful then nailing everything as JPG files (albeit pretty decent JPG files).

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Gee, I figure the menu is what it is, and I just deal with it, but having owned Nikon DLSR's, the S-mode of the Leica is the last thing that bothers me. I wish whoever designed the menu system had spent some time before that with a Nikon.

 

For a simple example, to change the ISO speed, you press the ISO button, adjust the speed, and you're done. You can do it in any kind of light. The Nikon just make it all so easy.

 

Yeah, if I was the guy at Leica designing an S-mode, I'd have put it in the menu system where once it's set, it stays that way no matter which knobs or dials you twist or push. Experienced users couldn't activate it accidentally, nor could novice users accidentally turn it off. Oh well. I'm getting used to how the menu works, but I wish more cameras were as intuitive as what Nikon has come up with.

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