Luke_Miller Posted March 23, 2010 Share #21 Posted March 23, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have to believe the SB-600 users are in manual mode since the SB-600 lacks an auto-thyrister mode. The SB-800 does, however and works fine on my M8.2 in auto-thyrister mode. The Leica SF-24D, SF-58 and some Metz flashes (with the proper module) are only flashes that will operate in TTL mode on the M8. My limited experience using my SF-24D and TTL flash metering suggests (so far) that auto-thyrister may be the best option. In auto-thyrister I don't have to pause at the half-press for the pre-flash and thus far I have not seen a noticable difference in the accuracy of flash exposure. I do use TTL when I hand hold the SF-24D for bounce flash, since auto-thyrister is not an option when the flash is not pointed at the subject. I think your SB-800 would work fine since you can use auto-thyrister and bounce the flash. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jamie Roberts Posted March 23, 2010 Share #22 Posted March 23, 2010 Rick--just use your SB800 and set it to Auto. That's it Actually, set it to manual and chimp a bit. It's more fun, better than guessing what the autofool in the flash will think is neutral gray, and surprisingly constant when bouncing too. Try it and see; start with under-exposing the ambient about 1.5 stops and put the flash on 1/16th power for a typical room with 15 foot ceilings or 15 feet to a wall. Bounce where you'd like a softbox in relation to your subject Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhom Posted March 23, 2010 Share #23 Posted March 23, 2010 Great to know that my SB-800 will work with a M8. Thanks, Luke and Jamie! Rick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islandmike Posted March 24, 2010 Share #24 Posted March 24, 2010 thanks for posting about the 36 flash--it's nice to see what it looks like on the camera. Am still looking for a auto flash of this size with tilt & swivel and variable output. I don't need a TTL/GNC flash. I found the Leica 58 too large for the shoe, since I am shooting mostly in portrait. One of my evening class "students" arrived this week with a Yongnuo flash gun bought on ebay, which looked well made, had tilt and swivel and had cost him $57. it had a good range of manual power settings and was about similar size as the Metz 36. I can't offer definite spec on the trigger voltage, but it is listed as suitable for DSLR cameras, which require a low trigger voltage. He had used it for a few days and had not yet fried his 5D! I've had no problems with my own Yongnuo items. I have bought a few Yongnuo items from this seller for my M8 and for Nikon, remote controls and a very inexpensive alternative to pocket wizards, which I use successfully in Lastolite portable soft box-brollies with the M8 synchronising to a pair of Nikon SB600s. The SB600 (having full tilt, rotation and manual power setting) has also been used for manual bounce flash on the M8, it's OK but it is rather large for the camera. The only problem I found with using SB600s on the M8 is that it's sometimes necessary to reprime the guns before taking the actual exposure, as they go to sleep quite quickly. This is the link to the Yongnuo flash. Hope this may be helpful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redridge Posted March 24, 2010 Share #25 Posted March 24, 2010 sb800 works with the M8..... great news!. Im gonna put my sb400 on. Its my favorite compact flash for bounce lighting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chris M Posted March 24, 2010 Share #26 Posted March 24, 2010 Well I'm not big on flash, but I carry the 24D with me all the time, mostly for fill in shadowed areas. I prefer a tripod over a Big ugly flash anytime, thats just (my) style of shooting;) chris m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted March 24, 2010 Share #27 Posted March 24, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well I'm not big on flash, but I carry the 24D with me all the time, mostly for fill in shadowed areas. I prefer a tripod over a Big ugly flash anytime, thats just (my) style of shooting;) chris m. Yes, but when the light is terrible, and you need the shot, then the big ugly flash becomes your big ugly friend because it makes a big beautiful light Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chris M Posted March 24, 2010 Share #28 Posted March 24, 2010 Yes, but when the light is terrible, and you need the shot, then the big ugly flash becomes your big ugly friend because it makes a big beautiful light Yes maybe for you Jamie, "but definitely not for me", "LESS IS MORE" ....for me that is. chris m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade Posted March 25, 2010 Share #29 Posted March 25, 2010 I'm thinking very hard of getting the SF58... however, I'm worried if it'll be too much of a burden. While the SF24 can't bounce up... I wish they make it bounceable - no tilting is no issue for me... but no bounce... yuck... Redridge: Does the SB400 work normally on the M8? Do you have to close all other contacts except the middle contacts? Or do you just slide it in? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonysaurus Posted March 25, 2010 Share #30 Posted March 25, 2010 sb800 works with the M8..... great news!. Im gonna put my sb400 on. Its my favorite compact flash for bounce lighting. ooo, does the SB400 work on the M8?! I'd love to know, cause it's my favourite flash to use on my Nikon D40, and it would be great to know if it'd work with an M8 when I get one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke_Miller Posted March 25, 2010 Share #31 Posted March 25, 2010 I'm thinking very hard of getting the SF58... however, I'm worried if it'll be too much of a burden. While the SF24 can't bounce up... I wish they make it bounceable - no tilting is no issue for me... but no bounce... yuck... I use the Sean Reid technique of handholding my SF-24D while it is connected to my M8.2 via a Nikon sync cord. That way I can bounce it, but only in TTL mode. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted March 25, 2010 Share #32 Posted March 25, 2010 ooo, does the SB400 work on the M8?! I'd love to know, cause it's my favourite flash to use on my Nikon D40, and it would be great to know if it'd work with an M8 when I get one. Short answer? Yes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke_Miller Posted March 26, 2010 Share #33 Posted March 26, 2010 Short answer? Yes Not trying to be argumentative, just curious. The SB-400 is a dedicated Nikon flash that is controlled by settings on the camera body. Since the only control on the SB-400 itself is an ON/OFF switch how would one use an SB-400 on the M8 other than at full power? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted March 26, 2010 Share #34 Posted March 26, 2010 Not trying to be argumentative, just curious. The SB-400 is a dedicated Nikon flash that is controlled by settings on the camera body. Since the only control on the SB-400 itself is an ON/OFF switch how would one use an SB-400 on the M8 other than at full power? My mistake Luke--sometimes reading too quickly, was actually thinking SB-600... A flash controlled only through the camera body will not likely work very well on a different manufacturer's body. The M8 should trigger the flash though. The fact you can't control the output however, will be a bit of a drag, though probably not wholly unusable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted March 26, 2010 Share #35 Posted March 26, 2010 When I do use flash with the M8, I use it with the el cheapo wireless triggers and the flash on a small stand. Or handheld, put in a pocket when not in use. Depending on the situation. Man, you have big pockets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted March 26, 2010 Share #36 Posted March 26, 2010 Hi All, I am a new member and a M8/M8.2 wannabe. I'm trying to learn about this camera so that I can make good future purchasing decisions. I can tell that a M8 series is in my (near) future. Could I please ask for clarification on these Nikon flash discussions? Can one really use a Nikon SB-600 for successful M8 TTL flash? If not, I guess that what is being described in this thread is that M8 users must be using the SB-600 in its Auto mode where the SB-600 is reading the flash exposure with its internal metering circuit. I use mostly bounced flash and am wondering if anyone has gotten good bounced results from a SB-600 setup. I am very interested as I own a Nikon SB-800 (similar to SB-600, higher output). Thanks for helping me out! Best Wishes, Rick Rick, you haven't gotten an answer yet. 1. Any flash on the M8.x needs to talk to the camera unless it's run in auto mode with the flash doing the light reading and shutting down. 2. The M8.x won't do TTL, except with the new 58 flash, I believe. It will, however, do GNC. That is, the M8 will do a pre-flash to calculare the required exposure and the a *second* flash for the exposure. 3. If you use a flash with an interface to the M8, for example the Metz 3502 module or the new Leica-branded 58 flash, then the GNC will work. And, reportedly, TTL will work with the 58. I have not had luck with the GNC mode. I always get an exposure that's too dark. Other have posted the same comment. I also don't like pre-flash when photographing people. They see the pre-flash and think the picture is over. For me, this makes *lots* of boring pix. So, hook up the Nikon unit, use Auto mode, and you'll get excellent flash images. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhom Posted April 1, 2010 Share #37 Posted April 1, 2010 Thanks for your comments, Bill. I finally received my M8 and hooked up my SB-800. It did indeed work very well on Auto for direct flash pictures! I also tried several combinations of power and aperture and was able to achieve some good bounce flash images. Not hard at all. I also pulled out an old Nikon SB-22 flash from my film days. This unit is relatively small, has a swivel head for bounce, covers a wide area (up to a full-frame equivalent of 24mm, I believe), takes 4 AAs, and has full Auto circuitry with sensor. It worked very well with my M8, too. Makes a good travel combination with the M8 for less than $50-75 used. Thanks again for your help! Rick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dNorm Posted April 8, 2010 Share #38 Posted April 8, 2010 Well, the biggest complaint that I get when I don't use a fill flash outdoors or flash indoors when photographing women especially, is the harsh shadows from facial contours and winkles . Cheers. -Norm Well, what can't you shoot at say ISO 2000 (or 1250 on an M8 for that matter) and f 1.4 ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted April 9, 2010 Share #39 Posted April 9, 2010 Well, the biggest complaint that I get when I don't use a fill flash outdoors or flash indoors when photographing women especially, is the harsh shadows from facial contours and winkles . Cheers. -Norm So find some better light and use a 'softer' lens The older lens designs--pre-ASPH and Summarits--can be pretty charming and flattering to women "of a certain age." And unless it's noon in a parking lot, you don't even need fill outdoors a lot of the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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