PayPerView Posted February 23, 2010 Share #1 Posted February 23, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Took my recently acquired M8 for a shoot today and had a big problem with it, luckily I had 2 other camera's with me. I had the camera set to A and simply fired off a shot and the camera made a sound like it was advancing and continuing to snap and would not stop...I had to remove the battery to stop it. When I got home I rechraged the battery and am able to take pictures but can't review them and rather than see an image, I get a file name of the image. I have not completely recharged the battery but I am pretty upset at this happening. I get chills to think of going on a trip and having my camera die like this! I am planning a few trips now and the question is answered that I will not travel with this camera without a backup, which is always a good idea anyway but I don't often take a backup body. I bought the Camera from a reputable source and I am sure the will fix or replace it..but it was pretty disturbing as you all can imagine. Has anyone heard of a similar problem with M8's? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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marknorton Posted February 23, 2010 Share #2 Posted February 23, 2010 Sounds like there are two separate problems. The shutter problem has been seen before and is due to the camera not being able to confirm the shutter is fully cocked. There's a sensor which is activated right at the end of the cocking process and it seems the camera will retry the shutter wind if the expected response is not seen. If it happens again, you may find tapping the camera vertically on the palm of your hand may help; otherwise, it's a trip to Leica. I've seen the file name displayed where normally you would see an image and the finger of blame this time is to the memory card. Are the images readable on a PC/Card Reader? It's always best to format the card in the camera before use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
menos I M6 Posted February 23, 2010 Share #3 Posted February 23, 2010 As I replied already in another thread - the re cocking shutter issue happened to me once after I bought my used M8.2 as well. Mark Norton, as I understand it correctly - this re cocking shutter issue is not the same as the problem occurring, when using "C" mode combined with the discreet shutter setting, which is reportedly happening with M8 cameras? I remember a bit more details, as it happened to me: I have the camera set always to discreet mode. I use only "S" mode. When I fired a shot (I keep the shutter release depressed for a while, which steadies my shooting), the camera took a few frames in continue. I took the camera away from the eye and saw, the main switch wandered to the "C" position by accident and the camera continued to re cock the shutter. I switched the camera off at the main switch (computer shutdown initiator ?). The re cocking continued. Only when I removed the battery, the re cocking stopped. After I inserted the battery again, there was a single click sound and the camera was in normal working condition again. This has been only the second hiccup so far (the other has been a freezing camera, which needed battery removal a few days earlier). My question is: Do I need to worry about a hardware issue, needing service in Solms with my new (second hand) M8.2 or is this the reported firmware flawed software hang up, which is securely treated with a battery removal until the next hick up? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted February 23, 2010 Share #4 Posted February 23, 2010 The original problem of the continuous shutter wind was reported before discreet mode was available so it's likely the two issues are separate, even though the effect and solution - pull out the battery - are the same. There's no doubt there's a firmware problem to do with C + discreet mode which Leica need to fix. Because of the close interaction between the firmware and the hardware - where do I stop implementing functionality in hardware and do the rest in firmware? - it's often difficult to diagnose exactly where a problem lies but the first step would be to ensure the hardware is delivering on the specification to which the firmware is written. The problem comes when you find out the hardware is not, there's thousands out there and you have to try to concoct a solution in firmware. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtZ Posted February 23, 2010 Share #5 Posted February 23, 2010 Because of the close interaction between the firmware and the hardware - where do I stop implementing functionality in hardware and do the rest in firmware? - it's often difficult to diagnose exactly where a problem lies but the first step would be to ensure the hardware is delivering on the specification to which the firmware is written. The problem comes when you find out the hardware is not, there's thousands out there and you have to try to concoct a solution in firmware. Mark, That's wise thinking. I always thought Leica, on digital M, is cheating with firmware hardware problems. That's the reason I haven't got an M9 yet. With the M8 I felt like a beta tester. I have experienced also the shutter problem described by the OP. I expect from a prestigeous brand as Leica the quality that made the brand reputable worldwide. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PayPerView Posted February 23, 2010 Author Share #6 Posted February 23, 2010 Sounds like there are two separate problems. The shutter problem has been seen before and is due to the camera not being able to confirm the shutter is fully cocked. There's a sensor which is activated right at the end of the cocking process and it seems the camera will retry the shutter wind if the expected response is not seen. If it happens again, you may find tapping the camera vertically on the palm of your hand may help; otherwise, it's a trip to Leica. I've seen the file name displayed where normally you would see an image and the finger of blame this time is to the memory card. Are the images readable on a PC/Card Reader? It's always best to format the card in the camera before use. Thanks for the response. I agree that it might be two separate problems, although I think I did reformat the card when I put it in the camera. The camera appears to function ok today but I am sending it into Leica anyway as it is under warranty and I am nervous about this being an ongoing problem and the idea of 'tapping it' in anyway to 'fix' the problem doesn't exactly make me feel all that warm and fuzzy about relying on it for a long distance trip! I reformatted the card and the images do appear on the camera now and in the computer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PayPerView Posted February 26, 2010 Author Share #7 Posted February 26, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'm wondering how long it might take to get my camera back..Leica has a service center in NJ and I am in NJ so that's the good news. How fast or slow can I expect to get it back? So frustrating...and I received a 90mm lense today which only makes it worse! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
becker Posted February 26, 2010 Share #8 Posted February 26, 2010 At least i had the same prob on my M8. It was in Solms because of other Things too, when I got it back it works. Although I was told they did `nt made anything on that Prob. But The Camera was resetet. A Forent told me that could be a thing mechanicly and to be fixed by justage. When it was back I sold it and graded up. There are good M8 ad there are some which have a lot probs, Thats my impression. MB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steamboat Posted February 26, 2010 Share #9 Posted February 26, 2010 My M8.2 did the run-on shutter this past week. I took the battery out and replaced it with a freshly charged battery and all is okay. When I had the run-on shutter the battery was very low. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PayPerView Posted February 26, 2010 Author Share #10 Posted February 26, 2010 My M8.2 did the run-on shutter this past week. I took the battery out and replaced it with a freshly charged battery and all is okay. When I had the run-on shutter the battery was very low. I'm sure that will be the case with mine as well, although the battery WAS freshly charged when it happened. Was that the first time it happened to you and how long have you had it and used it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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