peterb Posted February 9, 2010 Share #61 Posted February 9, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) peterb, I doubt that any Lithium battery deserves such a low score unless it is faulty! What is often overlooked is the fact that new batteries need to be 'run in' before they reach their maximum storage capacity. This is not Leica specific. WDA, I'm sure the battery is fine. But not for this camera apparently. With such a large sensor to power and everything else apparently it's only good for 150 shots (at least according to several published user reports now despite Leitz' claim of 260 shots) before it poops out. And I'm not sure that'll improve all that much even after the 'run in'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wda Posted February 9, 2010 Share #62 Posted February 9, 2010 Peter, you may be right; only time will tell. But I do believe that many reviewers were unavoidably working with extremely 'young' batteries. Only someone like Stewart Weir, who has been working with an X1 for several months, will have mature batteries and knowledge of their lives. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted February 10, 2010 Share #63 Posted February 10, 2010 i had the x1 in hands did a few pics. to me the results seemed at least as good as the d-lux4. not anywhere near a ringing endorsement for a camera that costs 3x as much (just about) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogenis Posted February 10, 2010 Share #64 Posted February 10, 2010 How on earth could that have happened I am missing one test: X1 autofocus non-macro, previously focused to other end of room Another thing: I have been using P&S for about 10 years before I got my M8. Never have I not pre-focused. So the time it takes to shoot from the first touch of the button is not relevant to me and I guess is not for the most user. The regular process is: - Point on main subject - Half press for focus - Move to desired frame - Fire! It is never point and directly shoot because you could never focus your subject and than compose. Maybe I was too spoiled from the M8, I agree I was pushing on that button very aggressively Can someone also time how much it takes to rotate the wheel from 0m- infinity? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Helmudo Posted February 10, 2010 Share #65 Posted February 10, 2010 I have an M8 myself and I can definitively not focus faster than what is being told about the X1. It takes time to find something to focus on (e.g. vertical lines), it takes time to actually move the focus ring. I always half-press the button even with the M8, even with any DSLR to make sure I have aperture/shutter speed set correctly, I than take my time to get the framing I want and only than do I press that shutter. Never ever have I just picked up the camera an fired. Never will I understand how the so called shutter lag of the X1 could be a reason not to buy this camera. A shutter lag near zero is a feature I am personally not interested in and I wonder in what way the people who are complaining so loud about it take their pictures in? Reminds my of a bunch of japanese tourists visiting an ancient place in Europe (Nothing against Japanese, I realy like Japan and I am hoping to visit it someday, but I guess you know what I mean ) Well, I´ll pick up mine in about 36h and I´ll let you know in case I`ll find out I was wrong... and in case I´ll find out I was right Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drstefanlenz Posted February 10, 2010 Share #66 Posted February 10, 2010 ...Never will I understand how the so called shutter lag of the X1 could be a reason not to buy this camera. A shutter lag near zero is a feature I am personally not interested in .. hi don, let me explain: i did a lot more than 20.000 frames with the m8, maybe 15.000 with d-lux4 and roughly the same with the nikon d200 since i got the m8. more than half of them pics were people/children. with the m8 i take pics like you, but what i need is a fast response when i see the decisive moment. a shutterlag of more than 0,3 sec here i can clearly feel and is not good! the m8 i keep constantly focussing and at the same time waiting like a hunter for its bait. a delay like 0,1 sec with the m8 is perfect. observing face-expressions "thru" a display like the x1 ain´t my thing, so i want to rely on the facedetection, keep pushing the buttom thus having like 0,6 sec thus 0,5 more than with the m8 at the decisive moment (rather than 0,1 with the m8). there is for me a difference, if my handling the m8 is perfect.of course with face-detection and af the x1 offers a different strategie. i am waiting for the call , for i want both, m8 and x1 regards stefan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomsva Posted February 10, 2010 Share #67 Posted February 10, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Now I have some more real world X1 experiences. Today I had the chance to take some photos at the children's music playgroup. I did a lot of fiddling with different settings (still learning). I had auto-everything at first but noticed that 1/30 sek shutter time may be to slow to catch sharp images of moving children, so I set sensitivity to iso1600 to use shorter shutter times. When the children were not moving it was easy to use autofocus. Halfpress to focus, wait for a good moment, shoot. When the children were moving i switched to manual focus and set the focus manually to 1,5m and try to get a sharp shot by estimating the correct distance. I got some good shots (and some not so good) with both techniques. But getting close and well timed pics of moving children using autofocus is difficult due to the lag. In most situations the lag doesn't matter to me at all, but in these kind of situations speedy operation would be very helpful. My Nikon D200 is very good at these fast situations and it would have given me a larger percentage of successful shots. But on the other hand the X1 being so small and extremely silent was really good for this occasion. I took many more pics than I would have with the bulky and much louder D200. I'm sure practice will make me better at using the X1. But these fast moving situations are not where the camera shines in terms of useability. Dispite this, I managed to get a number of nice pics today of the fast moving children and this is what matters the most in the end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted February 10, 2010 Share #68 Posted February 10, 2010 Now I have some more real world X1 experiences. ....., so I set sensitivity to iso1600 to use shorter shutter times. . May I offer one suggestion: when I need higher than my preferred ISO setting, I choose AUTO ISO and am seldom disappointed. I am still experimenting, but yesterday I took a candid picture in a rather dark village pub interior having set the Auto ISO to a maximum of 800. (It could be set higher). It is quite amazing what can be achieved in less than optimum lighting conditions, of the type typically encountered while traveling outside your locality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogenis Posted February 10, 2010 Share #69 Posted February 10, 2010 I have an M8 myself and I can definitively not focus faster than what is being told about the X1. It takes time to find something to focus on (e.g. vertical lines), it takes time to actually move the focus ring. I always half-press the button even with the M8, even with any DSLR to make sure I have aperture/shutter speed set correctly, I than take my time to get the framing I want and only than do I press that shutter. Never ever have I just picked up the camera an fired. Never will I understand how the so called shutter lag of the X1 could be a reason not to buy this camera. A shutter lag near zero is a feature I am personally not interested in and I wonder in what way the people who are complaining so loud about it take their pictures in? Reminds my of a bunch of japanese tourists visiting an ancient place in Europe (Nothing against Japanese, I realy like Japan and I am hoping to visit it someday, but I guess you know what I mean ) Well, I´ll pick up mine in about 36h and I´ll let you know in case I`ll find out I was wrong... and in case I´ll find out I was right There is a -maybe- 1 sec delay on the m8 to get manual focus right (images overlap) at any situation dark or daylight. After that M8/9 instant shoots, there is no delay (I can't even measure that 0.1msec some say it has). However this only happen once: usually you can hunt your target refocus and reshoot, it all happens fast and when you lock the distance, or when it is not important anyway because of the DoF you can shoot with 0 lag and catch anything. I have posted a procedure for all this in the M9 forum, try it its fun Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted February 10, 2010 Share #70 Posted February 10, 2010 I have an M8 myself and I can definitively not focus faster than what is being told about the X1. This may be true, but when people talk about the M8 (or any M) being very fast, they are talking about a zone-focused M8... which no AF camera can beat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drstefanlenz Posted February 13, 2010 Share #71 Posted February 13, 2010 did my own tests with the x1 now: af mode set at distance screen, average 0,65 sec af makro: same time mf: 0,35, pretty slow af with 11 fields from infinity: 1,25 sec one point high speed af with prefocus: average 0,25 last one seems the best in practice for me ... what i like is that you can push the focus point where u want it on the screen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daubsphoto Posted February 13, 2010 Author Share #72 Posted February 13, 2010 did my own tests with the x1 now: af mode set at distance screen, average 0,65 sec af makro: same time mf: 0,35, pretty slow af with 11 fields from infinity: 1,25 sec one point high speed af with prefocus: average 0,25 last one seems the best in practice for me ... what i like is that you can push the focus point where u want it on the screen Thanks a lot. This is very helpful! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym911 Posted February 13, 2010 Share #73 Posted February 13, 2010 Interesting thought.. From taking the camera to the eye, focussing and pressing capturing the image I am probably faster with the X1 than the M8 or M6 for that matter. That the AF of the X1 is a bit slow is also true,,,but putting it in perspective there is not much in it overall... regards andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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