Guest mc_k Posted June 14, 2010 Share #21 Posted June 14, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) A point of curiosity for me. Those of you who favour a shoulder strap, do you prefer it on the shoulder the same side as the camera, or the opposite shoulder, such that the strap crosses your chest when hanging? I'm interested in the functional ergonomics of how it works, or otherwise, for you. opposite shoulder, or it will slide off, and I almost dropped it once. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest mc_k Posted June 16, 2010 Share #22 Posted June 16, 2010 ...Having gone through the exercise of attaching the standard strap to an M body perhaps half a dozen times, I can tell you that it takes a degree of luck, mixed with modest skill, and endless patience. I don't think intelligence matters at all, though mechanical aptitude helps. As you begin you have to think about how each step will influence the outcome, otherwise there is a 50-50 chance it will come out twisted. But if it does, at least you'll be able to figure out pretty easily how to correct it from that point forward... (I assume the M9 strap is the M8 strap.) My suggestion is to hold the strap above the camera and let it hang down in the correct position. Pretend the ring is a regular split ring without the "ears." There are two ends of the ring, one of them closer to the camera, and this is the one you thread through the lug. (If you use the end of the ring farther from the camera you put a half-twist in the strap.) Should take 10 sec. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viv Posted June 16, 2010 Share #23 Posted June 16, 2010 What is all the fuss about? I attached the strap in 30 seconds, without a twist. It's hardly rocket science. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xjr Posted June 16, 2010 Share #24 Posted June 16, 2010 If you do not put it properly it will become undone with dire consequences. Go to your Leica stockist and ask them to do it for you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mc_k Posted June 16, 2010 Share #25 Posted June 16, 2010 My suggestion is to hold the strap above the camera and let it hang down in the correct position. Pretend the ring is a regular split ring without the "ears." There are two ends of the ring, one of them closer to the camera, and this is the one you thread through the lug. (If you use the end of the ring farther from the camera you put a half-twist in the strap.) Should take 10 sec. EDIT: I did not get this quite right. On the shutter-button side of the camera, you thread the inside end of the ring through the back side of the lug. On the opposite side of the camera, you thread the inside end of the ring though the lens side of the lug. Of course, if you use the outside ends of the ring you thread though the other way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mc_k Posted June 16, 2010 Share #26 Posted June 16, 2010 ...It's hardly rocket science. topology Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted June 17, 2010 Share #27 Posted June 17, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) EDIT: I did not get this quite right. On the shutter-button side of the camera, you thread the inside end of the ring through the back side of the lug. On the opposite side of the camera, you thread the inside end of the ring though the lens side of the lug. Of course, if you use the outside ends of the ring you thread though the other way. I rarely use a strap, but when I do it does puzzle me (mildly) as to how to avoid twists when attaching the strap. I do not worry if there is a twist, rather I worry about it slipping off my shoulder. Your simple explanation does make my day as now I know how to avoid the twist and achieved my "learn something each day" target. The slipping off the shoulder problem I have already solved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viv Posted June 17, 2010 Share #28 Posted June 17, 2010 topology Indeed. or "How to avoid turning your Leica strap into a Moebius strip". In three easy lessons. I still wonder why people have difficulty with this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted June 17, 2010 Share #29 Posted June 17, 2010 Y'know, it strikes me that Leica must be doing something right when the top two threads on the M9 and X1 sub-fora both relate to strap usage... Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpalme Posted April 6, 2011 Share #30 Posted April 6, 2011 What is all the fuss about? I attached the strap in 30 seconds, without a twist. It's hardly rocket science. Not for me.. I still can't figure it out even after reading this thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eleanorbrown Posted April 7, 2011 Share #31 Posted April 7, 2011 Just a quick reply...while I'm crazy about the Leica strap...light and inconspicuous, etc it does take rocket science to get it on correctly and aligned as you would like. I learned by trial and error...having the strap come out twisted, backwards,and so on...I finally learned how to put it on correctly (by retracing your steps backwards...really kina hard to explain). Anyway, good luck...you're not alone with your difficulty with the strap...it is by far the most difficult thing about the entire Leica system! :-( Eleanor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted April 7, 2011 Share #32 Posted April 7, 2011 What I can't understand is why Leica has to give every new model a new strap. Anybody remember the Leica 14092 strap? Leather, split rings, sliding shoulder grip. Elegant, simple, didn't need explanation. Standard with M4, SL, SL2. At least one camera store I knew sold them for other brands as well. When someone complained about his camera's strap, it was "Show him the Leica strap." Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Hated the plastic strap that came with the 3-lug M5. It took me five minutes to attach it and another five to remove it; hurt my fingers. Hmm. Maybe that's why so few M5's got sold. By the time the sales staff got the strap on the camera, the customer had changed his mind. Then the R3 got a beautiful strap, but with steel hooks which would destroy the lugs on SL's. No matter how often you pointed out that it was only for the R3, it found its way onto a lot of Leicaflexes. And since then, Leica seems to "want to get it right this time" with a spectacular new design, more confusing than the last, for each new model. I personally prefer the Domke strap with the quick-change swivel hooks. Particularly for those cameras which want to emblazon your neck with their brand and model number in bright company colors. Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Hated the plastic strap that came with the 3-lug M5. It took me five minutes to attach it and another five to remove it; hurt my fingers. Hmm. Maybe that's why so few M5's got sold. By the time the sales staff got the strap on the camera, the customer had changed his mind. Then the R3 got a beautiful strap, but with steel hooks which would destroy the lugs on SL's. No matter how often you pointed out that it was only for the R3, it found its way onto a lot of Leicaflexes. And since then, Leica seems to "want to get it right this time" with a spectacular new design, more confusing than the last, for each new model. I personally prefer the Domke strap with the quick-change swivel hooks. Particularly for those cameras which want to emblazon your neck with their brand and model number in bright company colors. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/111748-how-do-you-attach-strap/?do=findComment&comment=1638206'>More sharing options...
erl Posted April 7, 2011 Share #33 Posted April 7, 2011 Howard, maybe a problem with the strap you illustrate is that it is leather! Leather attracts moisture and fungal growth. Not a real issue for straps I know, but......... For that reason (among others) I would not use a leather case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted April 7, 2011 Share #34 Posted April 7, 2011 Hell, Erl! If it was good enough for the cowboys, it's good enough for me! Ever smell a saddle after a good rubdown with saddle-soap? Ever see a horse with fungal growth from his saddle? What about the last 500 years of wartime personal weapons? Ever see an infantryman killed by a fungus infection from his rifle strap? Or a policeman felled in the line of duty by his fungus-ridden holster? Did Emma Peel ever complain of fungal blight? Now, I think it was those dumb lollygaggers who think animals treated with bioengineered food and hormones shouldn't be forced into duty giving up their skins to carry our Leicas! Harrumph! Oh, and BTW-- I hadn't thought of that. I knew that there was a sudden move from leather to fabric or synthetics, but wasn't aware why. But, may I invite you to consider the following monkeywrench: Why do Leica lenses and finders still come in leather cases? And I never use a camera case either, but in my case the reason is that it's always in my way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted April 7, 2011 Share #35 Posted April 7, 2011 I have half a century's worth of leather straps behind me, and today I would not use one. I have used these things long enough to see how breakage-prone they are. A thin leather strap is bound to have a weak spot in it. That is an excellent reason to use synthetic webbing instead. They don't make flak jackets out of leather anymore, either! King Gustav II Adolf (Gustavus Adolphus) wore one at Lützen on the sixth of November 1632, and it did not do him any good. The classical design was very good however (Howard pictured it). It is extremely easy to adjust the length of the strap. Up here in the Sub-Arctic we often wear bulky overclothes and need a long strap, then we go indoors and need a short strap – and then there are those seasons, too! Changing both ends of a modern strap, trying to get both of them the same length, is extremely irritating. Any practising Catholic will up his spell in Purgatory every time he tries to do this – or he will qualify for sainthood. With the classical design, you just adjusted that sliding friction buckle. Done! Therefore I think somebody should re-issue that design in the modern material! Anyone listening? I tried to make Billingham listen, but they wouldn't. The old man from the Leather Age (but everything in its own place) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 7, 2011 Share #36 Posted April 7, 2011 What I can't understand is why Leica has to give every new model a new strap. Anybody remember the Leica 14092 strap? Leather, split rings, sliding shoulder grip. Elegant, simple, didn't need explanation. Standard with M4, SL, SL2. At least one camera store I knew sold them for other brands as well. When someone complained about his camera's strap, it was "Show him the Leica strap." [ATTACH]251291[/ATTACH] Leica still makes a very similar strap, minus the shoulder pad, in the a-la-carte program. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted April 7, 2011 Share #37 Posted April 7, 2011 Bemused. It's a strap. It goes on easily, it adjusts easily, it's incredibly secure. And you've already paid for it. Also, it's exactly the same as the one I got with my first M6 over 20 years ago. I find it reassuring Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted April 7, 2011 Share #38 Posted April 7, 2011 Sorry about Gustavus Adolphus, Lars. We may have the start of something here. "Quit dicking with our straps. Just repeat your old design with modern materials." I wonder why that idea is so hard to get through to people. Patent rights, do you suppose? Jaap, I had no idea you could get the older strap via a-la-carte; that's very interesting. But without the shoulder grip, it would slide off my (now stooped) shoulders. In the US, we had a gorgeous burgundy leather case during the early 80's. Lined in black fabric, lightly padded, very lightweight, compartmented, zippers for some pockets, clips for the main flap. Would carry a similar amount to the medium Domke bags today--R or M body, motor, 4-6 lenses, a few accessories. They were beautiful and very popular with our dealers. Then one day the company sent a new sample. It looked the same but may have come from a different supplier. I loaded it with some R stuff, hung it over my shoulder and started out the door. Before I had walked 10 feet, the shoulder strap had stretched and the bag was dragging on the floor. (At the time, I was a bit over 6 foot.) Within a week, the dealers were informed that we were discontinuing the bag. Leather is definitely special! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted April 7, 2011 Share #39 Posted April 7, 2011 Howard, I agree, leather is beautiful. As for the cowboys. Didn't they get chaps on their legs from leather? Actually, I have my fathers WW11 Folding camera that went all over the Middle East, Egypt, Tarakan and New Guinea in a leather case. The pics (that I have) are iconic, but the camera has corroded from fungal invasion. I blame the leather case, but maybe it would have happened anyway. As far as straps are concerned. Leather is not the problem, but the concept of a strap, that swings, is the greatest danger, to my cameras at least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 7, 2011 Share #40 Posted April 7, 2011 Jaap, I had no idea you could get the older strap via a-la-carte; that's very interesting. But without the shoulder grip, it would slide off my (now stooped) shoulders. And it shortens by studs And is more than ridiculously expensive:( Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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