jsrockit Posted January 20, 2010 Share #21 Posted January 20, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Whether you prefer GF1 or X1 is a personal question but let's not unfairly disparage the GF1. Leica was very smart with the X1... they know a good portion of their fan base does not like the consumer style, modern controls and gimmicks of the GF-1, so they simplified their design and catered to those who think that a shutter speed dial and aperture dial are all that is needed. That way they could charge Leica prices, because if you are into that design philosophy, there is no alternative at this price new. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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h00ligan Posted January 21, 2010 Share #22 Posted January 21, 2010 perhaps, but why did you quote that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogenis Posted January 21, 2010 Share #23 Posted January 21, 2010 It must be good news for Leica when people think lower price must equal lower quality but in truth that is not the case here. The m4/3 cameras released so far are well-built and take very good images while costing nearly 1/2 the price of X1. Whether you prefer GF1 or X1 is a personal question but let's not unfairly disparage the GF1. I never said the GF1 gives bad photos. The GF1 and the Olympus PEN2 are real great products, and so is the X1. But of the 3, the GF1 gives you value for money. The X1 approaches the M8 (second hand ofcourse) in price, but not quality/use. Still the X1 is also a great product, which at the moment holds its ground for IQ among any other compact out there, including u4/3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted January 21, 2010 Share #24 Posted January 21, 2010 perhaps, but why did you quote that? I deleted this part by accident: "The m4/3 cameras released so far are well-built and take very good images while costing nearly 1/2 the price of X1." There's a lot of talk about the X1 costing twice as much and I gave my reasons why Leica can do so... to traditionalists, the u4/3 cameras just aren't going to cut it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogenis Posted January 21, 2010 Share #25 Posted January 21, 2010 They will cut it, because they are cheap. Also we need to wait until this X1 finally starts rolling out and see and feel how it handles. Because we are still talking about something that is not even out yet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted January 21, 2010 Share #26 Posted January 21, 2010 They will cut it, because they are cheap. Buying because it's cheap ends up being an impulse buy... buying because of a design that fits your philosophy of what a camera should be are the types of purchases that stick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogenis Posted January 21, 2010 Share #27 Posted January 21, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Buying because it's cheap ends up being an impulse buy... buying because of a design that fits your philosophy of what a camera should be are the types of purchases that stick. Yes and I agree, the X1's design is the best, but the matter of speed is more important when you actually take pictures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted January 21, 2010 Share #28 Posted January 21, 2010 but the matter of speed is more important when you actually take pictures. Now that depends entirely what your type of shooting... it'll effect some people a lot more than others. I'll be fine with it for my style of photography. I'm slower with my M probably than the X1 will be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogenis Posted January 21, 2010 Share #29 Posted January 21, 2010 Now that depends entirely what your type of shooting... it'll effect some people a lot more than others. I'll be fine with it for my style of photography. I'm slower with my M probably than the X1 will be. Speed is speed in any way you look at it. Some call it the decisive moment, others just a moment, it comes and goes. I will never look back at a camera that is slow, especially after I have used my M8. And the M8 runs circles around the X1 in that matter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiOnara Posted January 21, 2010 Author Share #30 Posted January 21, 2010 Now that depends entirely what your type of shooting...I'm slower with my M... I think thats what pushed me to the M8 eventually. I tend to take my time with my photography and even if I spot a quick shot, I still usually have time to capture it correctly. I am still a little concerned with the noise on the M8 at higher ISO rates but I guess I can live with that. Maybe as the sensor it slightly larger than the X1, that will reduce the noise a little too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted January 21, 2010 Share #31 Posted January 21, 2010 Speed is speed in any way you look at it. Some call it the decisive moment, others just a moment, it comes and goes. I will never look back at a camera that is slow, especially after I have used my M8. And the M8 runs circles around the X1 in that matter I wasn't aware that you had spent significant time with the X1. Sorry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonboell Posted January 21, 2010 Share #32 Posted January 21, 2010 Did the same this week. After being sick of waiting for the X1 I bought a nearly new M8 with Summarit-M 1:2,5/90mm and Elmar-M 1:3,8/24 mm ASPH. Just performing the first steps, not as bad as I thought. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogenis Posted January 22, 2010 Share #33 Posted January 22, 2010 I wasn't aware that you had spent significant time with the X1. Sorry. No problem.. Happy you agree Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted January 22, 2010 Share #34 Posted January 22, 2010 No problem.. Happy you agree I don't agree, but since you've obviously spent a lot of time with it to know about its speed, then I have to digress. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPJMP Posted January 22, 2010 Share #35 Posted January 22, 2010 I was looking for a compact digital camera to serve as an alternative to my 35mm Leica MP system. I also went on a "big mental ride" about purchasing the X1, but eventually decided that for my immediate needs the D-Lux 4 was the more practical alternative. It fills the compact camera role for me, and for the type of pictures I am using it for I will not miss the better IQ that the X1 offers. I do wish that it had the analog-style controls of the X1, but I'm learning to use the joystick on the back and manual adjustments are becoming second nature. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grober Posted January 22, 2010 Share #36 Posted January 22, 2010 After using one Leica M or another for the past 43 years, I decided to firmly turn the page and sell all my M-gear (one M8 + nine lenses + filters + Bessa film body) in favor of the X1 which I handled extensively at the LHSA Seattle event last November. Several irritations with the M8 finally pushed me over the edge: (1) very noisy M8 shutter (2) well-known IR and other teething problems with early M8 firmware (3) the whole maddening issue with dust on the sensor (4) hey, if HCB did most of his amazing work with only one focal length, do I really need nine? (5) and the added bonus of Lightroom to help me better organize and use a digital photo archive over time. My three year M8 journey cost me roughly US$1K per year when I remember that I bought it new for $5K and sold it for $2K (to a gentleman in New Zealand.) The Leica lenses, of course, held their value better with two actually selling for more than I paid for them when new! Come on Leica, ship my X1 which has now been on order with an authorized USA Leica dealer since mid-November. I think the X1 is a neat, compact and sleek solution for my new, post-M lifestyle. -g Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted January 22, 2010 Share #37 Posted January 22, 2010 I think the X1 is a neat, compact and sleek solution for my new, post-M lifestyle. or even during your M-lifestyle! I can't wait to get it. I envision mine being with me at most times and my M8 being my more serious camera... for when I go out with the specific purpose of photography on my mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted January 24, 2010 Share #38 Posted January 24, 2010 Every time I think I am over the X1, I come back to these boards and see incredible imagery - and I am sucked back in. The question for me is - will the x1 give me what I want? I've had no problems really with the fixed 20 on the gf-1 as far as range goes - maybe even made a few decent images (hey, i'm really new) - I'd rather be at 35 without flexibility than any other length (even in my short time I've learned that). You people make it impossible for me to get away! but seriously, thanks for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigelb Posted January 24, 2010 Share #39 Posted January 24, 2010 hOOligan, you really need to stand back and think seriously about what you want and what your requirements are in a camera. First a D-Lux 4 then nearly a Digilux 2 then the D-lux was going back and an X1 on order then the GF-1 was bought and the X1 possibly cancelled, now possibly an X1 again . Why don't you fix on a camera, perhaps the GF-1 and take your time to get used to it and develop your photography. Give it time. A good photographer can get a great picture out of any camera within reason, just like Jeff Beck could wring a great tone out of an Indonesian Squier Strat! If you carry on like this you will have had more cameras in three months than I have had in ten years . Don't mean to preach, just my 2 cents worth. Nigel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted January 24, 2010 Share #40 Posted January 24, 2010 nigelb, some of us don't have that thing inside us that tells us to stop and be content. h00ligan, it seems to me that you wanted the X1, couldn't handle the wait involved for the X1, talked yourself into the GF-1 after the critical X1 reviews came out, and now still can't get the X1 out of your head because it is really what you wanted all along. I say go for the X1, but I hope it ends for you there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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