jjjjuin Posted January 7, 2010 Share #1 Posted January 7, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) When do you think M9 will be smoothly supplied eventually? ----------- Kevin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mat_mcdermott Posted January 7, 2010 Share #2 Posted January 7, 2010 Based on a casual conversation with some dealers in the US, perhaps March. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smb Posted January 7, 2010 Share #3 Posted January 7, 2010 I was told around April. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brt3 Posted January 7, 2010 Share #4 Posted January 7, 2010 It will be interesting to see how this plays out. If a significant number of folks placed themselves on wait lists with multiple dealers, then the availability may improve sooner than some folks think... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaques Posted January 7, 2010 Share #5 Posted January 7, 2010 on the other hand if the rumour that Leica has 10,000 outstanding orders has any merit- and if the M9 develops a reputation for excellence- and demand continues to rise- then they may take many months before they reach equilibrium... the fact is many DSLR users may have missed the M9's debut altogether... and will only start to learn about it as they see the odd phorographer wielding one here and there... kicking off a second and potentially larger wave of demand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanyasi Posted January 7, 2010 Share #6 Posted January 7, 2010 I wouldn't count on hoards of DSLR folks converting to rangefinders. You need to be very into photography to be intrigued by Leica. You also need to have a lot of money. The entry point, even with Summarit lenses, is $10,000. I use to be into high-end stereos. I hung around with people who bought high end stereos. We were a distinct and small minority. Leica users will continue to fall into that same category. Don't count on a second wave. Jack Siegel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheewai_m6 Posted January 7, 2010 Share #7 Posted January 7, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) if leica produces 40 - 50 m9s per day. then the 10 000 order will take (i'll use 50 cameras per day) 10 000 / 50 = 200 working days. if there are 5 working days per week, then 200 / 5 = 40 weeks. 40 weeks. when did production begin? i assume before september 2009. so it would take 40 weeks to fulfil the pre orders before it will be 'available' off the shelf. these are my own calculations, correct me if i've taken wrong assumptions or miscalculated something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Michael M. Posted January 7, 2010 Share #9 Posted January 7, 2010 The chart is very theoretical. Think it will not meet the real facts for the very moment. Why? - Demand of M9 seamed to be increasing actual instead of decreasing (that's what I learn following up coments here in the forum - as well if I call up to several dealers. My position in the queue would be actual No 11 at dealer close to me with increasing tendency and incoming number of cameras are 1...2 /month). Looks not very promising ... And this will result in stabel prices (at least). - Supply could normally not enlarged by short order. I read here that Leicas limit is about 80 M9's /day. If situation stays as mentioned Leica has to think about that seriously but this is not short term decision/effect and touched very much the investment issue. So, if produced quantity is stabel at maximum then supply could not increase because of already smooth running processes at factory. After 5 month of production this assumption must be true. And if they will squeeze out 5 pc more /day - what about? Looks like Leica got caught in the warm rain ... Other way arround: same happen to me 3days ago. Went to other dealer here and asked (with some smiling on my face) about short time deliverey of a M9 ... he look at me - smiling same way - and hand me the box ... now I'm member of the club too ... Michael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mat_mcdermott Posted January 7, 2010 Share #10 Posted January 7, 2010 re: Economics 101 - the price of the M9 actually doesn't change despite supply or demand. while we've seen a couple examples of people on eBay and Amazon trying to mark up cameras, that's the exception. I imagine for many many M9 customers the price is already at a point where increases would actually price them out of the market, psychologically and/or practically. Michael - without mentioning names of dealers as I don't want this to get into a my dealer is better than yours situation, the people I spoke with were getting more cameras in a week than yours is in a month, shop around and you'll be able to get a camera more quickly, provided you're not holding out for grey. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yanidel Posted January 7, 2010 Share #11 Posted January 7, 2010 The chart does not work in this short term problem. Why ? Because the M9 price is a fixed variable and the supply curve is a vertical line. We are already at the desired equilibrium, yet there is a backlog to fulfill. Leica can neither increase price or production in the short term to decrease or fulfill demand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael M. Posted January 7, 2010 Share #12 Posted January 7, 2010 Michael - without mentioning names of dealers as I don't want this to get into a my dealer is better than yours situation, the people I spoke with were getting more cameras in a week than yours is in a month, shop around and you'll be able to get a camera more quickly, provided you're not holding out for grey. Hi Mat You're that right. I'm sitting here in the homeland of Leica and learned that the Leica business is made overseas ourdays. German turnover is only a fraction of yours in US. So no question about who will get higher number of cameras ... . Nevertheless the problem of waiting my camera had not touched me at all. Michael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptiste Posted January 7, 2010 Share #13 Posted January 7, 2010 if leica produces 40 - 50 m9s per day. then the 10 000 order will take (i'll use 50 cameras per day) 10 000 / 50 = 200 working days. if there are 5 working days per week, then 200 / 5 = 40 weeks. 40 weeks. when did production begin? i assume before september 2009. so it would take 40 weeks to fulfil the pre orders before it will be 'available' off the shelf. these are my own calculations, correct me if i've taken wrong assumptions or miscalculated something. So more or less 6 months ahead... Seems fair... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfokevin Posted January 7, 2010 Share #14 Posted January 7, 2010 Another Econ wrench in this model is the fact that there are several hundred individuals who have prepaid dealer in advance and the time value of those funds are increasing the price for them on a daily basis... I wonder how much B & H could make investing all those prepayments in a S&P Mutual Fund? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Lord Posted January 7, 2010 Share #15 Posted January 7, 2010 I wouldn't count on hoards of DSLR folks converting to rangefinders. You need to be very into photography to be intrigued by Leica. You also need to have a lot of money. The entry point, even with Summarit lenses, is $10,000. I use to be into high-end stereos. I hung around with people who bought high end stereos. We were a distinct and small minority. Leica users will continue to fall into that same category. Don't count on a second wave. Jack Siegel It is reasurring to know I am not alone in these expensive weaknesses. My stereo cost far more than my Leicas....more pleasure though? Not sure at all... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanyasi Posted January 7, 2010 Share #16 Posted January 7, 2010 It is reasurring to know I am not alone in these expensive weaknesses. Yes, but is funny how weaknesses change. My current stereo--Naim--is great, but when it goes, I am at a point where a Bose or some more consumer oriented stereo will be just fine. In fact, I am financing my Leica purchase by selling off collector, limited edition jazz box sets on e-bay. Given the number of other cds I have and duplication, they won't be missed. Another example about how passions do change. Ten years ago I would have never thought of selling any music I purchased. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
d2mini Posted January 7, 2010 Share #17 Posted January 7, 2010 I wonder how much B & H could make investing all those prepayments in a S&P Mutual Fund? They only had my money for a matter of weeks before delivery. Money very well spent IMHO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthury Posted January 8, 2010 Share #18 Posted January 8, 2010 I was told around April. I was told the waiting list is worse than the M8 and it should start to lose its grip in May or June unless people start giving up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheewai_m6 Posted January 8, 2010 Share #19 Posted January 8, 2010 I was told the waiting list is worse than the M8 and it should start to lose its grip in May or June unless people start giving up. what does 'lost its grip mean?' as in the waiting list is too long? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brill64 Posted January 8, 2010 Share #20 Posted January 8, 2010 by the end of january Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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