jackart Posted December 30, 2009 Share #1 Posted December 30, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) After reading DPreview X1 in-depth I chose to cancel my X1 pre-order and buy GF1. Main reasons were (1) general slowness (2) sluggish AF (3) poor LCD, at this price point. All based on DPreview, I really appretiate them. As I do lots of street, fast AF is essential. Walked to local photo store today and got GF1 with 20mm F1,7. Sorry, cant post photos here until next Leica lens for GF1/M-adaper combo. I think, this will be M Summicron or Sullilux for portraits and from eBay. Jaak Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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h00ligan Posted December 30, 2009 Share #2 Posted December 30, 2009 what are your impressions of the gf1 w/pancake compared to the lx3? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpmac55 Posted December 30, 2009 Share #3 Posted December 30, 2009 No need to apologize....all good reasons to cancel your X1 order. I'm likely to still place an order for the X1 almost solely based on image quality. I need all the help I can get and will sacrifice some speed for it. Of course you should time me focusing my M8. Now that's slow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym911 Posted December 30, 2009 Share #4 Posted December 30, 2009 no need to apologize...will probably do the same , delay purchase at least. andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kschwarz Posted December 30, 2009 Share #5 Posted December 30, 2009 I actually put my order in AFTER reading the dpreview. They concluded exactly the same thing as reidreviews: "Indeed it seems fair to say that the X1 has (by some measure) the best raw image quality of any small camera, especially at high ISOs." My feeling is IQ trumps everything else when considering hardware (assuming the hardware is affordable). The X1 also has other qualities that I feel especially appealing, (1) size/weight, (2) 35 mm equiv lens, (3) UI (manual controls), (4) DNG file format which needs no software lens correction, and lastly (4) beauty. I intend to use the X1 as my pocket camera for when I do not want to carry around my heavy metal, and I expect it to be perfect for this application. I would never use it for capturing fast action, and I expect to be frustrated from time to time by imperfect autofocus. Heck, this happens now even when using my 5DMII. I typically achieve focus-lock using only the center focus point, and then recompose framing before exposing the sensor. It is not uncommon that the subject might have moved slightly between the time when focus-lock was achieved and the image was recomposed, and this can result is suboptimal focus, especially when using wide apertures. I expect this to be more of a problem than sluggish autofocus. That said, I do hope that a firmware upgrade fixes the manual focus at smaller than max aperture issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted December 31, 2009 Share #6 Posted December 31, 2009 Well, today was a perfect example of when the GF1 trumps the X1. I am in Galveston looking at buying a beach property for a retirement home. After looking at multiple homes and even shooting a few stills at the homes we were starting to confuse which home had which feature so today I put it in video mode and shot video of each home we had narrowed our selection to and now when we go back home and are trying to finalize our decision I can look at stills plus video of the homes and that will help us keep them straight and make our decision. The GF1 with the 14-45mm zoom (28mm to 90 mm effective) was perfect for this as I could shoot wide or telephoto when I wanted to move close up on the view or some characteristic of the house. Try and do that with an X1. And the camera was easily portable and not a major hassle to carry around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted December 31, 2009 Share #7 Posted December 31, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) The reports on that lens haven't been GREAT.. so i'm surprised to hear the pancake not selling it... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpmac55 Posted December 31, 2009 Share #8 Posted December 31, 2009 Well, today was a perfect example of when the GF1 trumps the X1. I am in Galveston looking at buying a beach property for a retirement home. After looking at multiple homes and even shooting a few stills at the homes we were starting to confuse which home had which feature so today I put it in video mode and shot video of each home we had narrowed our selection to and now when we go back home and are trying to finalize our decision I can look at stills plus video of the homes and that will help us keep them straight and make our decision. The GF1 with the 14-45mm zoom (28mm to 90 mm effective) was perfect for this as I could shoot wide or telephoto when I wanted to move close up on the view or some characteristic of the house. Try and do that with an X1. And the camera was easily portable and not a major hassle to carry around. Well you're correct, the X1 doesn't have a video function. Not sure why not. I had a similar occurrence happen to me a few days ago. Ended up using my BlackBerry. Not the best quality but it served the purpose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted December 31, 2009 Share #9 Posted December 31, 2009 if you just want mediocre video quality, go for any compact or DSLR -- none will match a dedicated camcorder. Hardly a selling point for me. The overall finding on the dpreview site and elsewhere has been that the X1's image quality is outstanding. That's far more important to me than gimmicky add on features. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted December 31, 2009 Share #10 Posted December 31, 2009 Well, today was a perfect example of when the GF1 trumps the X1. I am in Galveston looking at buying a beach property for a retirement home. After looking at multiple homes and even shooting a few stills at the homes we were starting to confuse which home had which feature so today I put it in video mode and shot video of each home we had narrowed our selection to and now when we go back home and are trying to finalize our decision I can look at stills plus video of the homes and that will help us keep them straight and make our decision. The GF1 with the 14-45mm zoom (28mm to 90 mm effective) was perfect for this as I could shoot wide or telephoto when I wanted to move close up on the view or some characteristic of the house. Try and do that with an X1. And the camera was easily portable and not a major hassle to carry around. An what is your point? That the X1 has no video functionality? The Panasonic DMC-TS1 trumps the M9 when you go underwater, if you know what i mean:( Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackart Posted December 31, 2009 Author Share #11 Posted December 31, 2009 what are your impressions of the gf1 w/pancake compared to the lx3? I will go out today for a shooting session and will be back with new experiences. One thing, what differs hugely is DOF. You really can shoot film-like shallow-DOF photos with 1,7 20mm. Jaak Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pappde Posted December 31, 2009 Share #12 Posted December 31, 2009 His point is simple. He just loves to complain. That is his sole purpose. For the video, he described you don't need a camera, any phone with video will do it. He just had to make a point. He is like the stinkiest cheese in the grocery store, ain't any better better than the rest, but has to stand out. I guess has to do with the fact that he is a lawyer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted December 31, 2009 Share #13 Posted December 31, 2009 Well, today was a perfect example of when the GF1 trumps the X1. I am in Galveston looking at buying a beach property for a retirement home. After looking at multiple homes and even shooting a few stills at the homes we were starting to confuse which home had which feature so today I put it in video mode and shot video of each home we had narrowed our selection to and now when we go back home and are trying to finalize our decision I can look at stills plus video of the homes and that will help us keep them straight and make our decision. The GF1 with the 14-45mm zoom (28mm to 90 mm effective) was perfect for this as I could shoot wide or telephoto when I wanted to move close up on the view or some characteristic of the house. Try and do that with an X1. And the camera was easily portable and not a major hassle to carry around. John, I follow your logic but for such a major analysis you would hardly choose less than a system camera. Granted video adds a new dimension but it is not the only way to portray a subject. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiOnara Posted December 31, 2009 Share #14 Posted December 31, 2009 You really can shoot film-like shallow-DOF photos with 1,7 20mm. Jaak The 20mm pancake is rather nice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted December 31, 2009 Share #15 Posted December 31, 2009 His point is simple. He just loves to complain. That is his sole purpose. For the video, he described you don't need a camera, any phone with video will do it. He just had to make a point. He is like the stinkiest cheese in the grocery store, ain't any better better than the rest, but has to stand out. I guess has to do with the fact that he is a lawyer. LOL. But we know the story of the squeaky wheel, don't we. It only works for so long, but once the wheel gets obsessed with squeaking................ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted December 31, 2009 Share #16 Posted December 31, 2009 I, for one, think it is great that Leica left the video mode off their X1. I'm sick of "swiss army" digital cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhs1963 Posted December 31, 2009 Share #17 Posted December 31, 2009 if you just want mediocre video quality, go for any compact or DSLR -- none will match a dedicated camcorder. Hardly a selling point for me. The overall finding on the dpreview site and elsewhere has been that the X1's image quality is outstanding. That's far more important to me than gimmicky add on features. I've not owned a camera before and had decided on an X1,just by seeing it and reading how simple it will be to operate. When out on motorbike or pushbike take great pica of my surroundings in North Yorkshire and County Durham. I have never been on a forum before but thought it would be good to see what gets discussed and boy i wish i had not. This gut NZDavid says whats important to me "outstanding image quality" Luckily for me i do not know about slow/fast focus but will enjoy taking pics of town architecture and scenic views. Hey and the software you get with it is al i will need right? Download it onto my macbook pro and all will be good. Jazz is not dead! It just smells funny Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted December 31, 2009 Share #18 Posted December 31, 2009 I've not owned a camera before and had decided on an X1,just by seeing it and reading how simple it will be to operate. When out on motorbike or pushbike take great pica of my surroundings in North Yorkshire and County Durham.I have never been on a forum before but thought it would be good to see what gets discussed and boy i wish i had not. This gut NZDavid says whats important to me "outstanding image quality" Luckily for me i do not know about slow/fast focus but will enjoy taking pics of town architecture and scenic views. Hey and the software you get with it is al i will need right? Download it onto my macbook pro and all will be good. Jazz is not dead! It just smells funny Welcome, jhs! Please don't despair as a result of some ill-informed postings here or elsewhere. The forum is a great place to learn and exchange views. This thread is not truly representative of the quality contributions generally available. Also remember that the X1 has only been tested by a small number of people. Much comment in this particular forum (X1) is base on hearsay and supposition and guesswork. After the X1 has commenced delivery to dealers you will start to see high quality samples of Leica photography posted here and elsewhere. As a first camera for the tasks you outline, I am sure you will be delighted with what it can do for you. As to software, the X1 will be shipped with authority to download the latest version of Adobe Lightroom. That is an extremely fine programme which deserves learning properly to get the best results. Once you have it, follow threads in the Digital Processing forum on this site. Post your queries and expect to get some genuine help. I hope my comments go some way to reassure you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhs1963 Posted December 31, 2009 Share #19 Posted December 31, 2009 Thanks for the reply David very much appreciated. I have booked myself onto a Digital Imaging Course and will as you suggest follow the forum. For me the brand has an old world charm about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted December 31, 2009 Share #20 Posted December 31, 2009 I will go out today for a shooting session and will be back with new experiences. One thing, what differs hugely is DOF. You really can shoot film-like shallow-DOF photos with 1,7 20mm. Jaak Looking forward to seeing the results - we can take this to private messages if you want to preclude thread jacking! Let me know when you have some overall comparison impressions! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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