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3 x IIIc-K

3 x unterschiedlich strukturierter Vulkanit-Bezug

 

 

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Lieber Friedhelm,

 

danke für die freundlichen Weihnachtsgrüsse,

die ich gerne erwidere.

 

Danke auch für Deine fachmännische Beurteilung der 3 IIIc.

Welche, glaubst Du denn ist original ?

Oder anders - welche beiden sollen nicht original sein ?

 

Ich lerne hier gerne hinzu !

 

Beste Grüsse

:)

Dirk

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Nee, nee, Dirk,

 

auf das Glatteis begebe ich mich nicht.

 

Du hast doch mehr Vergleichs-Vulkanit als ich Schuhsohlen habe. Das wirst Du schon selber rausfinden müssen / können

 

:)Friedhelm

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Lieber Friedhelm,

 

wer behauptet das, dass Eis dünn ist,

muss schon beweisen können,

wo und warum. Sonst könnten andere einbrechen.

 

Ich darf Dich beruhigen Friedhelm, alle 3 Kameras,

waren hoffentlich nie in Russland, stammen aber

zweifellos aus Wetzlar...

 

Beste Grüsse

 

Dirk

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Puhhh,

 

dann bin ich aber beruhigt!

 

(Hatt´ ich doch nicht anders gesehen - und Du hoffentlich auch nicht von mir geglaubt.)

 

Aber im ernst: Auf dem oberen Bild sieht man neben der Seriennummer der obersten Kamera das "K". Gibt es andere Erkennungszeichen, die auf den beiden Fotos die Kameras als kältefeste IIIc identifizierbar machen?

 

Herzlichen Gruß

 

Friedhelm

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Die Kameras und Objektive - deutlich sichtbar am Summarit - sind geschliffen.

Bei allen Kameras ist die Serien-No. + "K" erhalten.

Eine ist noch so, wie sich das viele wünschen,

eine weitere auf der Rückseite "voll geschliffen",

bei der letzten ist der Schliff mit wenig Liebe ausgeführt.

Das Elmar ist auch "geschliffen", wurde aber ofiziell mit der Kamera

Serien-No. ausgeliefert...ein ungetrenntes Paar

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  • 2 months later...

Hello DDM,

 

The camera with the Elmar has original vulcanite (painted) and the camera with the Summitar has original era pattern but appears to be a replacement (maybe a 1946 shell swap?) ~ the well worn *PATINA* IIIC K looks almost like IIIF vulcanite, but it's not rough enough, strange looking, I know that there was at least (2) differnet vulcanite patterns in the life of the IIIC K era cameras 1942/43 and 1944/45, but that one pattern has be puzzled.

 

Please write me off the board so I may get your serial numbers for the survivors list that will be published in my Leica Book next year, (book all about the IIIC K and the issues to the US Army)

 

And it's nice to find another IIIC K collector here at the forum, all three look great, I have to add a shot of my jewels here as well :)

 

Cheers and Happy Shooting

 

Tom

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Here's an old photo of my 1943' IIIC K Grey "DARK RED" shutter curtain K, it's about 98.5% paint and all original matching numbers Summitar, it was a WW2 "BRINGBACK" camera the Solider was with the 9th Armored Division that crossed the Luddendorf Bridge/Rhine River at Remagen, March 1945 ~ he brought the camera back and used it while he was an agency Photographer with Black Star NYC ~ shooting for LIFE magazine in the late 1940's

 

He passed away and I bought the camera from his younger brother from New York in 2008, a IIIC K full of history and ambiance.

 

Enjoy!

 

Tom

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And here's my other IIIC K Grey it's a 1945 US Army issue, issued to a US Army Japanese American First Lieutenant, who gave it to his future wife, who was a Danish national, (German Speaking) interpreter for Military Intelligence in Frankfurt, Germany in 1945.

 

The camera is 99% paint, but sadly has had a vulcanite shell swap, (correct vulcanite, but from a Leica IIIC conversion *see chrome bumper*) ~ I have a 1946 Grey vulcanite shell I have to swap out, but I have to mix the Luftwaffe RLM 75 paint first.....the Elmar lens is the original lens to body.

 

Enjoy!

 

Tom

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And this was the camera I traded late last year for my Leica M8 ~ #390469 K

*The May 8th 1945 IIIC K ~ Ex - Everett T. Brown collection/ George Carr restored IIIC K/ original matching numbers Elmar 50*

 

One of the very first cameras issued to the US Army in 1945, (issued only 12 hours after the surrender) the camera was expertly repainted by George Carr sometime in the late 1960's, it came to me with nice patina, (Everett must have used it alot himself) , and I I used it extensively for about 2 years, it was a real fun camera, it's somewhere in the Far East now I believe?

 

I sort of miss this camera, it was really neat to have a Grey paint IIIC K as a daily user, but I'm L@@KING for another one, original but with lot's of patina, JUST like the one you have DDM ........ ;)

 

Enjoy

 

Tom

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Hier sollten mods/ admin unbedingt einschreiten!!

Suchtpotential der Fotos kann schwächelnde Forenten um Jahrzehnte in deren bisher noch guter Entwickluingsprognose zurückwerfen!

Trotzdem erst Mal Danke für die schönen Fotos! Dann sehen wir weiter!

Grüße Wolfhard

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One of the very first cameras issued to the US Army in 1945, (issued only 12 hours after the surrender)...


Wetzlar was occupied by the American Army at March, 27th. in 1945. The daughter of Ernst Leitz prevented a disaster going with a white flag towards the American Army.

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Wetzlar was occupied by the American Army at March, 27th. in 1945. The daughter of Ernst Leitz prevented a disaster going with a white flag towards the American Army.

 

str.

 

 

They were also flying the Swiss flag as well. needless to say the American's were slightly confused by seeing that in the middle of Germany.......

 

The Leica factory was on one of the Allied CAPTURE/SAVE lists, even General Eisenhower (an avid Leica user) was going to make sure that they capture the factory all in one piece and instructed the forward advancing units in the Wetzlar area to limiting any undue combat damage where/when possible, they knew that it would be occupied in the American Sector and that camera production was badly needed for the US Military while the Signal Corps had an extreme shortage of 35mm format cameras at the end of the war.

 

The factory was captured completely intact with late order issues of IIIC K Grey's STILL sitting aside the main work tables. (500 of these Grey painted "Kugellager" cameras were sold to the US Army from May/June/July and part of August 1945)

 

The first US Army cameras were not issued until after the 7th of May, with the official surrender of the German Amy, I have one of the very first bills of sale to the US Army for camera - 390570 K

 

Tom

 

PS: I'm offering a CASH REWARD to anyone who can find camera #390570 K with Summitar 50mm lens #528062 - INTACT AND FOR SALE :) - ANYONE HERE KNOW WHERE IT IS????

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