barjohn Posted January 3, 2010 Share #41 Posted January 3, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Clearly, by the posters own post IQ is not the single most significant factor since equal or better IQ can be had from a multitude of DSLRs for significantly less money and I don't think the poster meant to imply that the IQ was the equal to the M8 or M9 (though it might be for all I know). Somewhere in the mix has to be performance which includes AF speed and accuracy in a wide range of conditions. Additionally, flexibility such as the ability to use a wide range of lenses has to factor in the equation as well as cost for the package. However, the biggest factor has to be the company's QC and this is where Leica just can't seem to get it right in the digital realm. Issues are coming to light with the S2, M9 and in the two reviews (DPR & Sean Ried's) the X1. The excuses are always that Leica will fix the issues in future firmware releases or when you send the camera back to Solms for a repair extended vacation. No amount of IQ can compensate for a camera that does not work the way it should when it should. Before you say what issues, on the S2 they have to do with base ISO noise, very slow tethering performance, poor lens performance and a column pixel failure as reported on this forum & GetDPI (inexcusable for a $20K+ camera with over a year of additional development time after announcement). The M9 has cracked IR filters and erratic SD card behavior along with slow chimping review speed and various lock ups occurring. The X1 has slow AF or no AF in low light, sluggish behavior in reviewing images and the iris won't stay to its set value to assist in MF and an unusable MF scale. There are other QC and performance issues that have been identified and when it crosses all cameras from $20K+ to $2k it does not speak highly of German engineering. Until Leica addresses these types of issues and produces a solid and reliable camera it is a rich mans toy and status symbol. I think Mark Norton's post summed it up well in the S2 forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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markpsf Posted January 3, 2010 Share #42 Posted January 3, 2010 I think both sangfroid and irony went the way of Kodak Instamatics awhile ago. If I posted a rumor of a new X2 weighing 10 ounces, with faster autofocus than a Canon EOS 5D Mark II, interchangeable low priced superb Leica lenses, a brilliant optical rangefinder viewer, and priced at $1500, I bet most forum responses would focus on how this was what the X1 should have been. Mark You never said a truer word... whatever happened to sangfroid?? Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EsaKivivuori Posted January 6, 2010 Share #43 Posted January 6, 2010 I can easily agree most of these.... "(....) 1) I am a sucker for a minimal design with simple menus. 2) 35mm equiv is my favorite lens length. 3) I like having a shutter speed dial and aperture dial marked as such... i.e. dedicated. 4) Aesthetics do, unfortunately, come into play when I purchase something (outside of the Olympus, the rest are ugly IMHO). this one I don`t agree 5) The shortcomings of the X1 will not effect my style of Photography. 6) I tend to use one lens when I go out for the day...and that lens is always btwn 35-50mm 7) It's cheaper than another digital M with lens... and it is smaller.(....)" ...but I`d like to have a compact camera with so good and versatile viewfinder as possible. I must wear glasses and I´ve always appreciated cameras with good viewfinders, like M-Leicas, SL2, R8/R9, Olympus OM1, Nikon F6, latest Hasselblads to name few). Speaking of compact cameras, there are three alternatives at the moment: 1.) Optical viewfinder (there have been very good but reasonable priced ones at least since the days of Kodak Retina 1B 019) 2.) Latest desings for digital cameras like this: "(....) new high-temperature polysilicon (HTPS) TFT color panel for electronic viewfinders by Epson. Measuring just 0.47 of an inch (1.2 cm) diagonally, the new panels offer SVGA (800 x RGB x 600) resolution in red, green and blue for a total of 1.44 megapixels.(....)" 3.) Vari-angle hi-res. LCDs The fixed LCD found in every single digital compact camera is one the worst invetions one can think of IMHO. That`s why I made my suggestion (keeping in mind also viewfinder options 1 & 2). See: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-x1-forum/110780-x1-s-my-dreams.html Regards, Esa The Royal Photographic Society Esa Kivivuori Photography - . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted January 6, 2010 Author Share #44 Posted January 6, 2010 To be honest, I'm starting to like composing with an LCD more and more, as long as I have autofocus. Manual focus with an LCD is not something I'm used to yet... I find a rangefinder patch to be more my style there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterb Posted January 7, 2010 Share #45 Posted January 7, 2010 To be honest, I'm starting to like composing with an LCD more and more, as long as I have autofocus. Hopefully you don't make a 'scrunched' face while doing it! That's got to be one the more amusing side effects of the digital age. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted January 7, 2010 Author Share #46 Posted January 7, 2010 Hopefully you don't make a 'scrunched' face while doing it! That's got to be one the more amusing side effects of the digital age. Nah, I wear glasses and keep it realtively close to my eyes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny_yj_chen Posted January 15, 2010 Share #47 Posted January 15, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Attached is photos took by Pananic GF1 with Leica 50mm 1.4 Lux, i think the image quality is quit good, if you are already a M user, GF1 is a good backup camera. The adapter cost only 80USD. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny_yj_chen Posted January 15, 2010 Share #48 Posted January 15, 2010 P1000156.jpg photo - Lisa Onuma photos at pbase.com P1000185.jpg photo - Lisa Onuma photos at pbase.com Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted January 15, 2010 Author Share #49 Posted January 15, 2010 Quality of photo? I was too busy looking at the aesthetic values of the second photo... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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