danlindberg Posted December 20, 2009 Share #1 Posted December 20, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have read several people using both the 21 and the 24 (not read anyone using the 18) without an external viewfinder. Can anyone explain what it looks like? Downsides? Any of the three lenses that is better than the others in this particular regard? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted December 20, 2009 Posted December 20, 2009 Hi danlindberg, Take a look here 18 or 21 or 24 without ext.viewfinder. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
lars_bergquist Posted December 20, 2009 Share #2 Posted December 20, 2009 Strange to say, the 18 is easiest. Using it in landscape format, you just look out at 45° left and right, and there are the limits of your picture. 21 is fairly useable too -- but 24? No. The less image field you have, the more important do its limitations get. The old man from the Age of the RASUK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted December 20, 2009 Share #3 Posted December 20, 2009 I think this is a personal preference issue. I tried without a viewfinder with a WATE and with a Zeiss 25. The WATE at 16 or 18 or 21 is mostly guesswork, though after a while you can approximate in your head (I have a Frankenfinder but sometimes am lazy or want to save some time). It will never be really precise and you will have to do a lot of chimping (would be completely impossible with film). On my M8 I could get away with no viewfinder for the 25 as the very edges of the viewfinder were OK for rough framing. This is not possible on the M9, however, as the image is quite a bit larger than the VF frame, and I ended up getting a CV viewfinder, which is pretty good and not expensive. That is a long way of saying "maybe, but not easily". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted December 20, 2009 Share #4 Posted December 20, 2009 Like Alan, I have been using a WATE without a Frankenfinder. By the time I have put the WATE on, unzipped the front pouch on my Billingham, got out the Frankenfinder case, unzipped it and put it on my M9, sadly I have died of old age, so in general, I just guesstimate and then chimp. If it is too wide, I wind the WATE down to 18 or 21. It is quicker than putting a Frankenfinder on. Wilson Attached M9 and WATE at 16mm on Friday; DNG to JPEG in C1 V5.0.1 pro. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/107269-18-or-21-or-24-without-extviewfinder/?do=findComment&comment=1158027'>More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted December 20, 2009 Share #5 Posted December 20, 2009 Very nice image. Thanks for posting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stealthman_1 Posted December 20, 2009 Share #6 Posted December 20, 2009 I use the 21 mostly without a finder. As said before, the wider, the easier. With the CV 12mm f5.6, the coverage of the lens is just inside my own FOV, that one is real easy, if I can see it, it's in the picture! If I need to be close I will eyeball around inside the finder to find the extreme edges and know it's just a bit wider than that. I have a .58 M6 coming on Tuesday that I believe will be about right at the extreme edges. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yanidel Posted December 20, 2009 Share #7 Posted December 20, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have started using the 24mm Elmarit with the M9. If you use the edges of the finder (need to move your eyes around), you get a good aproximation of the FOV. It is nevertheless easier with an external finder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
noah_addis Posted December 20, 2009 Share #8 Posted December 20, 2009 I've been using a 21 Elmarit Asph with my M9, and the framing without an external finder is pretty much guesswork. I knew I'd need a finder for it, but I never got around to getting one as I bought the 21 for the M8 so of course it required a 28mm finder. I've used the lens a few times without a finder, and it worked to some extent but for me it's not a good way to work. My work requires me to be able to capture specific moments AND have accurate framing, a finder is an absolute necessity. If you shoot landscapes, architecture or some other work where you can check the composition and reshoot if needed, then not using an external finder might be a workable solution. I've ordered a voigtlander 21mm finder, and plan to use it whenever I shoot with the 21mm. By the way, if anyone at voigtlander is listening, PLEASE make a metal 21mm finder similar to the wonderful little 28mm metal version:D. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 22, 2009 Share #9 Posted December 22, 2009 By the way, if anyone at voigtlander is listening, PLEASE make a metal 21mm finder similar to the wonderful little 28mm metal version:D. AND a 25 mm one as well, please Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted December 22, 2009 Share #10 Posted December 22, 2009 AND a 25 mm one as well, please Voigtlander are doing the new zoom 15-35 finder Voigt 15-35 VF I don't know how this compares with the Frankenfinder in brightness but I hope it might distort a little less. The only feature it does not seem to have is parallax correction, which I have to admit to very rarely adjusting on the FF. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
virpolo Posted December 24, 2009 Share #11 Posted December 24, 2009 got the V 15-35 viewfinder. Very bright, nothing to see with the F leica. Less distortion, better crispness, good diopter correction, much brighter (it could even help you in very low light situations), well built... too bad there is no indication in the VF of wich length you are on, and the tool is also big... all in one, for me it's a much better choice if you have the wate without de F. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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