h00ligan Posted December 30, 2009 Share #101 Posted December 30, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) A camera that is mostly built in Asia but assembled in Germany may technically qualify as a German camera but that doesn't make it a German camera. Not that it is all bad as the Asians build excellent cameras as evidenced by the Nikons and Canons. It is just a bit misleading and designed to appeal to the Leica purist following that denigrates any Leica not built in Germany even though the M9 is mostly built in Portugal. VW's are considered german cars but heavily produced in mexico. Honda's are built in detroit.. etc.. i'm not sure that a badge of built in germany is a lie in this instance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted December 30, 2009 Posted December 30, 2009 Hi h00ligan, Take a look here X1 in-depth review. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Ecaton Posted December 31, 2009 Share #102 Posted December 31, 2009 A camera that is mostly built in Asia but assembled in Germany may technically qualify as a German camera but that doesn't make it a German camera. Not that it is all bad as the Asians build excellent cameras as evidenced by the Nikons and Canons. It is just a bit misleading and designed to appeal to the Leica purist following that denigrates any Leica not built in Germany even though the M9 is mostly built in Portugal. Oh, I see, built and assembled in Germany, and maybe by native Germans only? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddav Posted January 1, 2010 Share #103 Posted January 1, 2010 I don't think it is an 'in-depth' review: there is not the third of the information we got from Sean Reid on this forum... For example it doesn't say anything about the shutter lag. The figures are for a complete cycle where you focus with the AF, release the shutter, etc. Not very useful if you are used to a M where you usually focus first, then take the picture when you feel is the right moment... I am waiting until: we get more feedback from real users; it is possible to actually try it in a shop; and a firmware update... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted November 8, 2010 Share #104 Posted November 8, 2010 Maybe before comparing the lens to real Leica lenses you should compare the MTF chart on DPR to their test of the Panasonic 20mm f1.7 lens. It shows better performance at f2.0 than the Leica at f4.0 in every area but barrel distortion (the easiest to fix distortion). Much better MTF at center and out to the edges with the Pany hitting optimum at f5.6 and the Leica at f8. In fact the Panny is better at f2.0 than the Leica at f2.8. It is a $400 lens, not a $4,000 lens. This doesn't include the fact that you can put a real Leica lens on the GF1 if you want even more performance. resurrecting a dead thread, but John - I have been shooting some samples today on a tripod - and this mirrors my experience. On everything but iso noise, the gf1 wins.. and the faster lens negates (most of the time) the iso advantage. I was really hoping to be wrong, but now I feel it may be time to move on... we will see. here's a quick peek of off center sharpness between the two. It's not scientific, it's a grab from a lightroom comparison, but it illustrates what I see on my screen. pretty substantial difference. This was an f8 shot.. some may say, move to f11, this was sharper than the f11 shot, fwiw. http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1106/5157020055_c6a796da8c_o.png Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted November 8, 2010 Share #105 Posted November 8, 2010 resurrecting a dead thread, but John - I have been shooting some samples today on a tripod - and this mirrors my experience. On everything but iso noise, the gf1 wins.. and the faster lens negates (most of the time) the iso advantage. I was really hoping to be wrong, but now I feel it may be time to move on... we will see. here's a quick peek of off center sharpness between the two. It's not scientific, it's a grab from a lightroom comparison, but it illustrates what I see on my screen. pretty substantial difference. This was an f8 shot.. some may say, move to f11, this was sharper than the f11 shot, fwiw. http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1106/5157020055_c6a796da8c_o.png Nothing new here, Edward. This is almost general knowledge. DR and WB accuracy (jpeg) though, are superior with the X1. Had a GF1 when it was launched and found the WB to be dreadful. Don't know why, but just didn't want to bother with raw with the mfts I bought, tried and sold (G1, EP1, G1, EP2). Oly's jpegs are nice. But for raw shooters, the X1 files are more fun to work with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan States Posted November 8, 2010 Share #106 Posted November 8, 2010 The GF1 runs images through an advanced "intelligent sharpness" program that gives images an sharper look. Problem is that it's not always as smart as it seems and you can get funky effects. I posted some examples months ago and yes it happens in raw. The gf1 is good for what it us but the noise and color rendition were not even close to the x1. For me what really tipped the balance to the x1 was the clatter the gf1 made when shooting. Its not good for candid photography for that reason. I found the af of the x1 was less of a handicap than the noisy rattle of the gf1. When I work with x1 raw files they have a lot more flexibility than those from the GF1. They can be pulled up or down without blowing highlights or loosing shadows. My gf1 shots often have blown highlights even though I dial in an exposure reduction. Best wishes Dan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted November 8, 2010 Share #107 Posted November 8, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Thanks for the information Dan. I'll look into that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannybuoy Posted November 13, 2010 Share #108 Posted November 13, 2010 I have learned to deal with the slower AF speed. Shutter lag hasn't been a problem. Overall the X1 is a great camera. I have the grip and Voigtlander EVF and it looks and feels the part. Sure there are some short comings but I prefer the captures from this little puppy to the captures I get from my 5Dmk2 with my 50mm 1.2L. I prefer the grainy noise of the X1 at high ISO than the jpeg like artifacting noise of the 5D at high ISO. Overall sharpness seems to be better on the X1 and the photos it produces undoubtedly have 'that Leica look', you just have to work harder to get the perfect photo. That's what photography is all about huh! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted November 13, 2010 Share #109 Posted November 13, 2010 you just have to work harder to get the perfect photo. That's what photography is all about huh!......... there must be a heap of people sadomasochistic personality disorders here..................................it is a lot easier to just use the right tool to make the action easier so one can concentrate on the result which is believe it or not as many have forgotten a photograph. Not to have wrestling matches with cameras no matter what brand they are Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted November 13, 2010 Share #110 Posted November 13, 2010 I have learned to deal with the slower AF speed. Shutter lag hasn't been a problem. Overall the X1 is a great camera. I have the grip and Voigtlander EVF and it looks and feels the part. Sure there are some short comings but I prefer the captures from this little puppy to the captures I get from my 5Dmk2 with my 50mm 1.2L. I prefer the grainy noise of the X1 at high ISO than the jpeg like artifacting noise of the 5D at high ISO. Overall sharpness seems to be better on the X1 and the photos it produces undoubtedly have 'that Leica look', you just have to work harder to get the perfect photo. That's what photography is all about huh! I'm shocked to read that you think the x1 is sharper than the 5d w/L lens. My 7d with 15-85 wins handily, resized or not. Maybe it really is time for me to send a crop to leica and find out if there's an issue...but frankly as stnami pointed out, despite my comparison most of my time is spent trying to understand things outside of the camera...which is why I haven't shared many photos..they need to be better before I do. I'm going to the leica m9 academy event in the local 'ghost town' on Tuesday. Hpefully I'll have something to share after that, and learn a lot about photography in general. Otoh, I hope I don't fall in love with the rangefinder, it would be awful for my wallet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted November 13, 2010 Share #111 Posted November 13, 2010 ......... there must be a heap of people sadomasochistic personality disorders here..................................it is a lot easier to just use the right tool to make the action easier so one can concentrate on the result which is believe it or not as many have forgotten a photograph. Not to have wrestling matches with cameras no matter what brand they are Says the Sigma DP1 shooter:rolleyes:. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted November 13, 2010 Share #112 Posted November 13, 2010 ..........and contax TVS III, olympus XA ,Leica D2, epson RD1 and that tattered 35mm leica lens that also finds its way on the GF1 for portraits .......and yes the Sigma for that occasional docile unhurried 100iso landscape shot. Each camera has a specific role and yes I may have 3 to four cameras in the bag at any given time.................................... I took a photo what I consider of my better shots with a canon point and shoot the other day, too bad I can't post it here:) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 14, 2010 Share #113 Posted November 14, 2010 I'm shocked to read that you think the x1 is sharper than the 5d… Don't worry some people did not hesitate to state that the M8 was the new Texas Leica and the same will probably swear that the M9 is sharper than an MF camera. More seriously, the X1's sensor has the same resolution as that of the Nikon D300 which is quite good for a small camera like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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