JackTheRipper Posted December 15, 2009 Share #1 Posted December 15, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I've decided not to get an X1... I think there are too many problems with it for the asking price. I'm now thinking of a D-lux 4... but was curious if anyone thinks Leica will release a D-lux 5 in the near future? also, I would be very very grateful if someone could tell me how the D-lux 4 would compare to the canon sd990is... which is my current camera.... thanks so much, I really appreciate it! Jack Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted December 15, 2009 Posted December 15, 2009 Hi JackTheRipper, Take a look here D-Lux 5? Also a few questions about the D-lux 4.... I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
delnerdo Posted December 16, 2009 Share #2 Posted December 16, 2009 Perhaps the DLX4 prices will drop after the X1 finally starts shipping. More likely I would expect an update to the C-Lux 3. No? I've never used a PowerShot but imagine the differences lie in how you like to work. Does the Canon have a RAW capture mode? One thing I like about the DLX4 over previous P&S I've owned (Lumix) is continuous autofocus, which can reduce shutter lag. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
regedit Posted December 16, 2009 Share #3 Posted December 16, 2009 I don't think that D-Lux4 prices will drop after the launch of X1. Quite contrary. ... and here we go with some marketing lesson: - d-lux4 was launched as a entry product for Leica brand (excepting here the c-lux that is snapshot gadget) and get his job done by getting people through Leica brand - X1 come to close the gap between d-lux and M series and bring more into Leica photo philosophy. - owners of d-lux will migrate naturally to X1. - non Leica that aim the new X1 but cannot afford will go for d-lux (which is a good camera) Why lower the price and have more cannibalization of X1 from d-lux while pushing up d-lux will increase confidence of actual d-lux owners and facilitate through upgrade access to X1, and also keep entry barrier for Leica brand as high as possible. The future will tell us if Leica product managers thinks the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted December 16, 2009 Share #4 Posted December 16, 2009 I've decided not to get an X1... I think there are too many problems with it for the asking price. WTF? It isn't even out yet... Also, the D-LUX 4's price is going up by $100 in January. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elansprint72 Posted December 16, 2009 Share #5 Posted December 16, 2009 .................. ... and here we go with some marketing lesson: - d-lux4 was launched as a entry product for Leica brand (excepting here the c-lux that is snapshot gadget)............. . And here we go with some photography lesson: that's exactly what the users of "real cameras" said when old Barnack put a short length of cine film into his pocket camera. Attached is a snap-shot. It's not the tool; it's the fool behind it. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/106783-d-lux-5-also-a-few-questions-about-the-d-lux-4/?do=findComment&comment=1153545'>More sharing options...
JackTheRipper Posted December 16, 2009 Author Share #6 Posted December 16, 2009 can someone with vast camera knowledge please compare the d-lux 4 to say, my current camera, the canon sd990is? would I be happier with the d-lux 4? I'll mainly be traveling with the camera, taking pics of buildings and people... thanks so much! I think the X1 could be a little bit better for the price... isn't it true the d-lux 4 has a better LCD screen than the X1? For Example? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted December 16, 2009 Share #7 Posted December 16, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I think the X1 could be a little bit better for the price... isn't it true the d-lux 4 has a better LCD screen than the X1? For Example? You'd be happier with the DLUX4 over your Canon... it is a step up in all ways. Yes, the screen on the DLUX4 is better... but that is about IMHO (unless you like zooms, which I don't). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted December 16, 2009 Share #8 Posted December 16, 2009 - non Leica that aim the new X1 but cannot afford will go for d-lux (which is a good camera) I'm not so sure about this. I think they would just go with a different brand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackTheRipper Posted December 16, 2009 Author Share #9 Posted December 16, 2009 You'd be happier with the DLUX4 over your Canon... it is a step up in all ways. Yes, the screen on the DLUX4 is better... but that is about IMHO (unless you like zooms, which I don't). thanks so much, can you please explain a little 0:-)? Jack Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted December 16, 2009 Share #10 Posted December 16, 2009 would I be happier with the d-lux 4? Don't know much about your current camera, but you should consider the viewfinder experience in addition to the IQ when comparing to the Dlux. Your Canon apparently has an optical viewfinder, but I don't know if you use it or if it's even effective. External finders for the Dlux are extra, and don't cover the full zoom FOV. I've been an M user for a long time (now M8.2) and recently bought the Dlux 4 as a small back-up. The IQ was good (not M good, but acceptable to me for my purpose); however, I never adapted to LCD viewing and sold the camera. I'm considering a clean used M instead. YMMV, of course. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveleo Posted December 16, 2009 Share #11 Posted December 16, 2009 And here we go with some photography lesson: that's exactly what the users of "real cameras" said when old Barnack put a short length of cine film into his pocket camera. Attached is a snap-shot. It's not the tool; it's the fool behind it. + me = 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackTheRipper Posted December 16, 2009 Author Share #12 Posted December 16, 2009 Don't know much about your current camera, but you should consider the viewfinder experience in addition to the IQ when comparing to the Dlux. Your Canon apparently has an optical viewfinder, but I don't know if you use it or if it's even effective. External finders for the Dlux are extra, and don't cover the full zoom FOV. I've been an M user for a long time (now M8.2) and recently bought the Dlux 4 as a small back-up. The IQ was good (not M good, but acceptable to me for my purpose); however, I never adapted to LCD viewing and sold the camera. I'm considering a clean used M instead. YMMV, of course. Jeff I'm sorta the opposite, I know everyone on here seems to love the viewfinder, but I just use the LCD... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted December 16, 2009 Share #13 Posted December 16, 2009 I'm sorta the opposite, I know everyone on here seems to love the viewfinder, but I just use the LCD... Many here also love the Dlux 4...seems as though you might, too. Maybe there's a dealer nearby who can let you try one...best way to tell. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delnerdo Posted December 17, 2009 Share #14 Posted December 17, 2009 I don't think that D-Lux4 prices will drop after the launch of X1. Quite contrary. ... and here we go . I would predict an excess supply of preowned D-Lux 4 equipment when the X1 is available at long last. Apropos the original post, one could invoke an automobile analogy. In all fairness, only driving it can answer your questions Jack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted December 17, 2009 Share #15 Posted December 17, 2009 thanks so much, can you please explain a little 0:-)? Jack I'm not so sure what you need me to explain. The D-LUX 4 is considered the top (or at the very least top 3) P&S camera on the market. The camera you are comparing it to is not by far. It really is that simple. Are there questions you may have that would help us understand what you need to know? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackTheRipper Posted December 18, 2009 Author Share #16 Posted December 18, 2009 I'd like to know if the canon sd990is sensor is bigger (not as in megapixels) but in size? I know the lens would be hands down better, I was just wondering about the sensor itself... thanks again... PS the Leica has HD vid, which is awesome! my Canon doesn't... but does anyone think there will be a camera between the D-lux 4 and X1 in the near future? anyone have any opinions about this brown sweet looking case http://reviews.photographyreview.com/files/2008/09/dlux4.jpg ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delnerdo Posted December 23, 2009 Share #17 Posted December 23, 2009 anyone have any opinions about this brown sweet looking case Apropos the case, I went for the DLUX3 equivalent but if you use the provided neck/carry strap, you may find there's very little room to fit it inside the case with camera. For the DLUX4 I opted for a case designed for the Panny LX3 on eBay (Panasonic Lumix DMW-CLX3 /DMC-LX3 Case Leather). It wasn't hideously overpriced, has a detachable/"ever-ready" top half, and the bottom half attaches to the tripod mount, like a Luigi case. Available in black or brown - you decide. It has room available for the LX3 grip, which makes the DLUX 4 easier to grip, without the spendy handle accessory. No compromise there - it is sturdily built. Best of all, it doesn't scream "steal me - I am expensive". (A friend who owns many guitars once advised against sporting fancy guitar cases. You don't want to advertise what's inside. Or do you?) Overall, I doubt you will regret switching to the D-Lux 4. It's totally worth the plunge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted December 23, 2009 Share #18 Posted December 23, 2009 It has room available for the LX3 grip, which makes the DLUX 4 easier to grip, without the spendy handle accessory. Sorry I'm a bit confused - do you mean easier to grip when you withdraw the camera? Or because it is attached as a half case? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted December 23, 2009 Share #19 Posted December 23, 2009 I'd like to know if the canon sd990is sensor is bigger (not as in megapixels) but in size? ... Jack, (if I may be so familiar ) The Canon SD990IS has a 1/1.7" sensor (7.6 mm x 5.7 mm) yielding 14.7 MP and the D-Lux 4 has a 1/1.63" sensor (8.08 x 6.01) yielding 10.1 MP. The Canon has more MP, and perhaps importantly, more than 1/sqrt2 (=1.414) times as many, which means that the difference in detail may be detectable at normal viewing distance. However, the additional detail will only be detectable if the lens can resolve that level of detail and P&S cameras are not renowned for having high-resolving lenses. (I have no knowledge of the Canon's lens.) Ultimately though, they are both small-sensor cameras so any difference is likely to be miniscule. From the figures above, the D-Lux 4's sensor has a larger area but the Canon has more MP. The relative pixel densities of the two sensors are Canon: 34 MP/sq cm; D-Lux 4: 24 MP/sq cm, so the Cannon has more, smaller, cramped pixels and the D-Lux 4 has larger, more spaced-out pixels. Generally it is considered that larger, more spaced-out pixels produce less sensor noise at higher ISO values because the heat produced by the photodiodes in the sensor can be extracted more efficiently. Also, larger pixels capture more light than smaller pixels because larger pixels have more surface area for the light to fall on so the signal to noise ratio will be higher and the signal is better separated from the noise. By calculation the Canon has 1.7 micron pixels but the D-Lux 4 has 2.2 micron pixels so the D-Lux 4's pixels each gather 23% more light. My experience of the D-Lux 4's noise performance up to ISO 400 is very good for a small sensor camera and is still good up to ISO 800; I haven't needed to use higher than ISO 800 because of the natural speed of the f/2 lens. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simfan Posted December 23, 2009 Share #20 Posted December 23, 2009 If the D-LUX 4 did not exist I would surely have bought the GH1 (or similar). Got the D-LUX 4 (while waiting for the GH1 which was delayed) and it proved that good I saw little reason to upgrade. This D-Lux 4 has a few merits making it hard to resist: - F 2.0 lens - RAW - very usefull 16:9/3:2/4:3/1:1 - HD video @ even 24 mm ... all at a bargain price. And above all ... it's a beautifully styled Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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