haribo Posted December 5, 2009 Share #61 Posted December 5, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Not to be picky, but the top of the line Canon, the 1Ds mkIII ( 21.1mp, $6100), IS full frame, not a 1.3 crop sensor. Glenn 1D Mk IV is NOT full frame but has a 1.3 crop sensor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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haribo Posted December 6, 2009 Share #62 Posted December 6, 2009 I think that's commonplace with some of the big camera manufacturers now, and it's something that drives me crazy. These people have gotten used to the idea that they can get us to replace our gear every couple of years, so why give us everything at once and put a crimp on future profits? Well, if my gut feeling is right there will be many really pissed M9 owners coming September (10 month from now) when Leica unveils the M9.x with Maestro technology. Let's see how easy to swallow the words "The M9.x is what the M9 should have been" then will be.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
haribo Posted December 6, 2009 Share #63 Posted December 6, 2009 For the Leica M8 , I would have to buy either a 18mm f3.8 (24mm equiv) @ $2900 or a 16-18-21mm f4 (21-28mm equiv) @ $6000 (w/finder). Still more pricey But Slower and only 21mm at the widest ! Glenn Forgot to say ... buy the Zeiss ZM Distagon 18mm/f4. Goes for around $1100 and is outstanding. Like it better than my 21/f2.8 Elmarit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
haribo Posted December 6, 2009 Share #64 Posted December 6, 2009 Careful, I've offended some by saying the same thing. If you make your living taking photos, then the M9 is a stretch - especially now in this depressed economy - for what is essentially a one trick pony. A pro level DSLR makes more sense. But the Leica M9 is a camera for people who are passionate about their photography. It does not matter that the M9 is overkill, its simply a precision tool for those who feel, or know, they need it. Besides, if someone were to take 10,770* family and pet photos over the next 3 years** with their M9, they would be slightly better off than if they had used their M7/MP and shot slides. So let them enjoy their passion. Tom * (avg .65 for film and processing) ** Time for M10 development and introduction :-) Pleasure or business, I do love the M8 and I'm sure I'd like the M9 even more. For me a camera is a tool and frankly I don't really care if its a Leica or not. What I do care about is that it gives me exactly what I want. And that includes the pure and simple way it works. If I'd knew a make that would offer me the same experience but better (without me funding their R&D department) I'd say farewell to Leica in a heart beat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 6, 2009 Share #65 Posted December 6, 2009 Well, if my gut feeling is right there will be many really pissed M9 owners coming September (10 month from now) when Leica unveils the M9.x with Maestro technology.Let's see how easy to swallow the words "The M9.x is what the M9 should have been" then will be.... A Maestro might be faster, but will the images be better? somehow I doubt that.. I am not one to wait for the next pie in the sky Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
haribo Posted December 6, 2009 Share #66 Posted December 6, 2009 A Maestro might be faster, but will the images be better? somehow I doubt that.. I am not one to wait for the next pie in the sky I'm not waiting for that either. I am seriously considering selling all my Leica gear and investing into another system. Too bad I don't like DSLRs .... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheewai_m6 Posted December 6, 2009 Share #67 Posted December 6, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) A Maestro might be faster, but will the images be better? somehow I doubt that.. I am not one to wait for the next pie in the sky couldn't agree more. in this day and age of technology development, how long are you going to wait? if you want the next model with newer and better technology, you'll be dead and have never owned an awesome camera like the m9. skipping the m8, understandable, ir filters and cropped sensor is kind of crap. but the m9, full frame, you're basically shooting exactly the same as film, but on digital. stop wondering whether 'it's good enough?' YES IT IS, GET ONE AND START SHOOTING. plenty of evidence already that the m9 is good enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 6, 2009 Share #68 Posted December 6, 2009 I'm not waiting for that either. I am seriously considering selling all my Leica gear and investing into another system. Too bad I don't like DSLRs .... It'll have to be an S2 ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthury Posted December 6, 2009 Share #69 Posted December 6, 2009 [...]But the M9 is more enjoyable to use. [...] Personally, I think it is more enjoyable because it has to do with these: You just committed $7K and so, it has to feel more enjoyable; otherwise, you would have to admit to yourself that you made a $7K mistake, which most people would not want to do. It's that subjective Leica mystic surfacing again ... It also feels quite nice when a passer-by said:"Wow, is that an M9?" It certainly has the weight of $7K when you hold it in your hands. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic108 Posted December 6, 2009 Share #70 Posted December 6, 2009 My view is that the m9 will be more than good enough and Leica have stated that they will continue to support the camera for 20 years. My point is that I think the M8.2 that I have is more than enough and will last. Why? Hasn't it been said that the M8 prints very well - as good as 4x5 if I remember correctly. I print to A3 and output to the web and therefore my M8.2 surpasses my needs on terms of IQ and the M9 is too much. Better IQ is not what I'm looking for as I have all the IQ I need. So in short why wouldn't the M9 be enough when actually the M8 is enough? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted December 6, 2009 Share #71 Posted December 6, 2009 1D Mk IV is NOT full frame but has a 1.3 crop sensor. It's also not their flagship camera, unless you think there won't be a 1ds4... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted December 6, 2009 Share #72 Posted December 6, 2009 Personally, I think it is more enjoyable because it has to do with these: You just committed $7K and so, it has to feel more enjoyable; otherwise, you would have to admit to yourself that you made a $7K mistake, which most people would not want to do. It's that subjective Leica mystic surfacing again ... It also feels quite nice when a passer-by said:"Wow, is that an M9?" It certainly has the weight of $7K when you hold it in your hands. Personally, I think you've taken the poster out of context to make a private and not very interesting (or salient) point. He was actually comparing shooting an M RF camera to a 5d style dSLR camera, which is pretty typical for those of us who like to shoot rangefinders. While I don't have an M9, I do like shooting my Ms more than my dSLRs (from Canon, Nikon or even from Leica). Why would you feel the need to ascribe that to qualities other than the experience of shooting with a rangefinder? And getting a stop or more better NR, full-frame and other benefits from an M9 over an M8 will be worth it to me, though I still use my M8. But the M9 will pay for itself, I have no doubt, just like the M8 did. The price is high but the camera itself is unique whether you like it or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 6, 2009 Share #73 Posted December 6, 2009 Personally, I think it is more enjoyable because it has to do with these: You just committed $7K and so, it has to feel more enjoyable; otherwise, you would have to admit to yourself that you made a $7K mistake, which most people would not want to do. It's that subjective Leica mystic surfacing again ... It also feels quite nice when a passer-by said:"Wow, is that an M9?" It certainly has the weight of $7K when you hold it in your hands. Why such an insulting post? Who are you to decide whether 7000$ is a significant amount of money to the poster. And ascribe this silly brand snobbishness to him? How many passers-by would recognize an M9:confused: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo_Lorentzen Posted December 6, 2009 Share #74 Posted December 6, 2009 Personally, I think it is more enjoyable because it has to do with these: You just committed $7K and so, it has to feel more enjoyable; otherwise, you would have to admit to yourself that you made a $7K mistake, which most people would not want to do. It's that subjective Leica mystic surfacing again ... It also feels quite nice when a passer-by said:"Wow, is that an M9?" It certainly has the weight of $7K when you hold it in your hands. LOL... Out of experience - I can assure you, it is far heavier than $7k Most people I have seen was impressed that I used such a old camera. The last contractor I hired was a far bigger mistake. So were my x book-keeper who is now in jail. As it turns out, the M9 takes really nice pictures and is a great camera, i sure you can take similar pictures with a host of other cameras, but then you can also tell time with a cellphone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guido Posted December 6, 2009 Share #75 Posted December 6, 2009 You just committed $7K and so, it has to feel more enjoyable; otherwise, you would have to admit to yourself that you made a $7K mistake, which most people would not want to do. The situation actually isn't that bleak in practice. If you realize that you've made a $7K mistake, there's always eBay to minimize your effective cost of ownership. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo_Lorentzen Posted December 6, 2009 Share #76 Posted December 6, 2009 Seriously guys. This line of though have to do with a idea I hear often, particularly from people who don't have leica's... The idea being, Leica users are so invested in the camera system that the feel obligated to justify their investment to themselves and everybody who care to listen...! Im sure this is true for some, but in the circle of people I know, this is equally true for people invested in Nikon, canon pentax etc.. guys who continue buying bigger and faster SLR's with bigger and bigger lenses... dragging roll-along carry-on cases full of stuff on family picknicks. It would be interesting to judge peoples stated experience of the camera based on the cameras merit rather than the expectation this is some desperate bloke trying to convince somebody to make the same mistake he or she did. There is without doubt people on this forum wearing watches which could be quickly traded for 2-3 M9 with a exotic collection of lenses at moments notice, guys and probably girls, for whom the technical expenditure of the M9 is of no practical concern, other than the desire to own it maybe for photography or maybe to collect along with some fine watches and bottles of collectable vine maybe.. the same people are likely to say honestly how they feel about the camera, simply because they don't care if I agree or not. I suspect Leica users, while possible having a higher "cost of entry", is probably equally devided as to the pain of this investment, some nikon users are probably reaching to have their dream system, and I am sure there are guys here reaching to have a M9 with a lovely old 50cron, and loving what they have. there are probably also a couple of types here who seriously are wondering about when the M9 safari with matching 35lux will be released, and IF possible the collectors value will go up, if they purchase 2 of them to reduce the market. well maybe it will. Well that is my theory anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheewai_m6 Posted December 7, 2009 Share #77 Posted December 7, 2009 Bo, i like the way you think. we share very similar points of view. i will buy an m9, hopefully around april. the only person i need to justify why i'd spend that amount of money on an m9 is me, and my wife. everyone else... yeah, whatever. spending AUD$8600 on a nikon with all the extra features won't give me the same amount of enjoyment of spending $8600 on an m9. simple as that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
logaandm Posted December 7, 2009 Share #78 Posted December 7, 2009 Out of interest, may I ask which lenses you are using on your 5D Mk2? I have used many different lenses over the years. The 70-200 f4L is outstanding and I am taking a liking to the 16-35 f2.8, I find it very nice for doing video since I don't have to worry as much about DOF. The 70-300DO was a pleasant surprise and the 135f2L and the 35mmf1.4 are outstanding. But, in the end, the 24-105 has taken most of my good pictures because, being so versitile, it is usually with me. IQ is OK but not exceptional. 105mm and f4 is just enough to blur the background. 24mm is a nice wide angle and offers a not common perspective. It even focuses close so you can do the half macro shots. Yes, the pictures look a little like point and shoot snapshots but that is partly because I take it on holidays. I also have the 100-400 and the 100mm macro, but the prefer to use the higher pixel density of the 50D to "extend" the range of these lenses. I miss the narrow DOF when I do this, however. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhoersch Posted December 7, 2009 Share #79 Posted December 7, 2009 My view is that the m9 will be more than good enough and Leica have stated that they will continue to support the camera for 20 years. Sure! The M8 will be upgraded forever, the R10 will benefit from S2 technology, and the S2 will be on the market in the summer of 2009. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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