geesbert Posted December 2, 2009 Share #1 Posted December 2, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) there are numerous threads about the best three lens outfit and we all know the solution for that problem: it all depends.... just for the fun of it: which three current lenses you would never want to be seen with? that's my list: 1.: apo-telyt 3.4/135mm if you're too shy to get closer, get a Nikon. Unusable on a M and contrary to the concept. too slow, too long, too heavy, too everything. 2.: 50mm Summicron what a boring lens. slower than the lux,bit nearly the same size, more expensive than the summarit, but much bigger, no character now it gets tough... 3. 21mm summilux Huge, blocks even external viewfinder, heavy, loads of fringing wide open. at 1.4 focus even at 21mm DOF becomes critical, having to switch between the rangefinder and the external VF is not really helpful or 3. noctilux 0.95/50mm humongous, way too large for the tiny M, too much viewfinder block, front heavy, acid trip bokeh, have yet to see a picture where f0.95 really made a difference, pathetically expensive besides those all other leica lenses are great, I will only be a great and happy photographer once I acquired all of them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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UliWer Posted December 2, 2009 Share #2 Posted December 2, 2009 Great idea! I agree with you de-testing the 50-cron, 21-lux and the Noctilux - as I use none of them (with the M8) and don't intend to do with any M9 or M-following. Though You are completely wrong about the Apo-Telyt! Yes it is a little bit long, but not heavy, and if anything else it is just the most sharp and most contrasty lens you can use on a M. To focus it correctly brings you closest to Zen-traditions you can get with photographing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted December 2, 2009 Share #3 Posted December 2, 2009 Great bar thread Though you are completely wrong about (#2) - the Summicron. You are generalising, unfortunately. I have a Summicron DR and it is a gem. I wouldn't be seen without it. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geesbert Posted December 2, 2009 Author Share #4 Posted December 2, 2009 like that? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fokalfissur Posted December 2, 2009 Share #5 Posted December 2, 2009 The craptar. But wait – let me think about it… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted December 2, 2009 Share #6 Posted December 2, 2009 like that? Good idea and nice illustration; I have to try this later, though my Zen-course is not so advanced yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeingeye Posted December 2, 2009 Share #7 Posted December 2, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Great bar thread Though you are completely wrong about (#2) - the Summicron. You are generalising, unfortunately. I have a Summicron DR and it is a gem. I wouldn't be seen without it. Regards, Bill I definitely agree with Bill on this one. At the moment the 50 Summicron is my favourite M lens for the way that it renders the subject - it seems much less clinical than more recent designs developed with the aid of computers. The perspective offered by the standard focal length might make it more challenging to get a good composition, but then is that not one of the delights of photography in solving such issues to produce a pleasing image? Regards Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ario Arioldi Posted December 2, 2009 Share #8 Posted December 2, 2009 M9 without a Summicon 50? You cannot be serious:D:D Cheers, Ario Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Posted December 2, 2009 Share #9 Posted December 2, 2009 It is going to be difficult finding Leica lenses not to buy or like and not stepping on anyone's toes. Surely other brands have something to offer in this category? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danyves Posted December 2, 2009 Share #10 Posted December 2, 2009 2.: 50mm Summicron what a boring lens. slower than the lux,bit nearly the same size, more expensive than the summarit, but much bigger, no character ??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
proenca Posted December 2, 2009 Share #11 Posted December 2, 2009 like that? ahahah marvelous picture ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted December 2, 2009 Share #12 Posted December 2, 2009 I don't see the 50mm Summicron as a "don't buy" even though I moved from that lens to the Summilux, which is superior. But the summicron is still very good and also is one of the more affordable Leica lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisC Posted December 2, 2009 Share #13 Posted December 2, 2009 3. noctilux 0.95/50mm Excellent thread, but the consenting Bokeh Perverts who shoot wide-open in bright sunshine will damn you for your glorious heresy. Glad the flak is coming your way and not mine though. ............... Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted December 2, 2009 Share #14 Posted December 2, 2009 I suppose it's another "it depends" question. I actually find most lenses have something in their favour (and I'd never want to be parted from my 135 Apo-Telyt - it's SO useful...) In my experience the lenses not to buy are the ones that are too close to ones you already own OR which will downgrade your experience of working with the camera. In my case, for the M9 I'd NOT want to buy: 24 (because I have 21 summarit pre-asph + 28 cron asph) 35 lux (because I love my tiny 35 cron IV pre-asph any 50 (because I have the 50 lux and IMHO they don't come any better... 75 (because I have 50 and 90 - I've just sold my summicron asph - lovely lens but I didn't need it on the M9) pre-asph 90 cron (because I have the asph and can't imagine going back from it) A fun thread though.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahl Posted December 2, 2009 Share #15 Posted December 2, 2009 Don't be too quick to condemn the 135 Apo. With my M8 I could not get reliable focusing even using a 1.4 viewfinder magnifier and was about to sell it. I then sold the M8 to purchase the M9. This lens is fantastic on the later body. No problems at all focusing and the detail available is quite amazing. Unfortunately I do not have all the other lenses to be able to comment further on your idea but think that with the larger Summiluxes ( Nocti and 75) the handling suffers from the long throw of the focusing mechanism. The actual photographic results are probably very popular with a large section of the Leica community but the awkwardess does rather spoil the handling experience we all enjoy. You will have sparked up a lively debate which I shall enjoy reading as contributors views here are often very polarised Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted December 2, 2009 Share #16 Posted December 2, 2009 ... - it seems much less clinical than more recent designs developed with the aid of computers. The Sumicron was the first lens worldwide designed with the aid of a computer. It was a Zuse: shibumi � Blog Archive � Computer Zuse Z 25 (not sure, if the picture shows the actual type used by Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 3, 2009 Share #17 Posted December 3, 2009 1.: apo-telyt 3.4/135mm if you're too shy to get closer, get a Nikon. Unusable on a M and contrary to the concept. Unusable...??? If you are unable to focus a 135 on an M camera it is more of a comment on the user than the camera imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ario Arioldi Posted December 3, 2009 Share #18 Posted December 3, 2009 Very nice shot. Cheers, Ario Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theendlesshouse Posted December 3, 2009 Share #19 Posted December 3, 2009 /\ Nice shot! The summicron 50 is an outstanding lens for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 3, 2009 Share #20 Posted December 3, 2009 And to think it was on an M8 without magnifier which is impossible according to some, Ario - my shooting rate was over 80 % that day Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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