Theodor Heinrichsohn Posted November 29, 2009 Share #21 Posted November 29, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) How about a Minolta CLE (I am stealing Luigi's proposal) with a 40mm / f2 ? Rangefinder focusing, aperture priority, full frame will facilitate the graduation to a late Leica M or M digital. Teddy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ArtZ Posted November 29, 2009 Share #22 Posted November 29, 2009 What about this? Kodak Instamatic 104 - Camerapedia.org And it's got a viewfinder!!! :D . Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/105139-recommendation-for-a-young-man-who-just-fell-in-love-with-the-m9/?do=findComment&comment=1134108'>More sharing options...
michael_b_elmer Posted November 29, 2009 Share #23 Posted November 29, 2009 My father gave me a Leica IIIb with Elmar 3.5/50 on my 11th birthday and sent me on a photography course where I learned all basics at the proper age. Since I was seven, I had been fondling with my dad's M3 and used it for taking pictures when I thought he wasn't seeing it or wouldn't discover it. That was way back in 1960 - and a gift for life. Perhaps an old M8 with an old 2.0/50 would be the proper start today - there is no point at all in learning the boy to use anything but digital. Later he might borrow some of your lense Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted November 29, 2009 Share #24 Posted November 29, 2009 I do not think you should offer him a film camera. The great advantage of a digital camera is that it provides instant feedback (if it has manual controls, of course). I have been photographing for some sixty years, and learned 35mm in the Air Force in 1956-57, but since I bought my M8 in early 2007 I have learned more about photography -- basics, not just digital -- than in the preceding half-century. Also, 35mm film now looks shoddy. Sorry to say this, but it is an obsolete medium. The old man from the age of 120 roll film Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbuckley Posted November 29, 2009 Author Share #25 Posted November 29, 2009 This is all good advice, and I am grateful. It is sad to say, but I think the only way the lure will be taken fully is with digital -- and Lars is right -- the instant feedback is very helpful for learning. One thing this exchange does illustrate is how pathetic it is that there is not an a) inexpensive, manual, c) digital, d) small, e) camera with a lens that someone can focus while looking through a proper viewfinder. All of the suggestions have elements of this, but not the whole package. Of course, the reason I was drawn to Leica in the early part of this decade was I couldn't enjoy the overwhelming complexity of Nikons. In a way, the M8 or M9, with a cheap lens, would be the perfect solution, other than the fact that it is not a) inexpensive ;-) Thank you all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
piero Posted November 29, 2009 Share #26 Posted November 29, 2009 John, in a way one solution could be a compact with instructions to keep lens at a given focal length, for training, for a couple of days and then at another focal length... etc etc. One thing I liked about the GRll was the fixed lens and the "tele" attachment. And I used it with the external viewfinder. Now that the GRlll is out for sale you could probably find one used in good conditions for a few hundred bucks. I looked at your pictures, beautyful, and I understand that the kid might have some strong points for wanting a good camera and not a toy... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbuckley Posted November 29, 2009 Author Share #27 Posted November 29, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) John,in a way one solution could be a compact with instructions to keep lens at a given focal length, for training, for a couple of days and then at another focal length... etc etc. One thing I liked about the GRll was the fixed lens and the "tele" attachment. And I used it with the external viewfinder. Now that the GRlll is out for sale you could probably find one used in good conditions for a few hundred bucks. I looked at your pictures, beautyful, and I understand that the kid might have some strong points for wanting a good camera and not a toy... Pierro - great advice. And thank you! JB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spersky Posted November 30, 2009 Share #28 Posted November 30, 2009 I do not think you should offer him a film camera. The great advantage of a digital camera is that it provides instant feedback (if it has manual controls, of course). I have been photographing for some sixty years, and learned 35mm in the Air Force in 1956-57, but since I bought my M8 in early 2007 I have learned more about photography -- basics, not just digital -- than in the preceding half-century. Also, 35mm film now looks shoddy. Sorry to say this, but it is an obsolete medium. The old man from the age of 120 roll film I agree 100% without going into a huge film/digital debate. I think you would be slowing down your son's photographic development with film. He will learn faster with digital because he can see his errors instantly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ModernMan Posted November 30, 2009 Share #29 Posted November 30, 2009 My father gave me a Leica IIIb with Elmar 3.5/50 on my 11th birthday and sent me on a photography course where I learned all basics at the proper age. Since I was seven, I had been fondling with my dad's M3 and used it for taking pictures when I thought he wasn't seeing it or wouldn't discover it. That was way back in 1960 - and a gift for life. Perhaps an old M8 with an old 2.0/50 would be the proper start today - there is no point at all in learning the boy to use anything but digital. Later he might borrow some of your lense +1 my story, and conclusion, is very similar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted November 30, 2009 Share #30 Posted November 30, 2009 He's highly unlikely to continue with film into the future, so I think that would be a waste of time and resources. I'd look very seriously at this new Ricoh. Ricoh GXR Hands on Preview: 1. Introduction: Digital Photography Review Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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