lars_bergquist Posted December 7, 2009 Share #21 Posted December 7, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Lars - any chance of your posting something that shows what your set up looks like + the exact spec of the cable - there seem to be a few Nikon SCs out there. I hate on-camera flash but have the SF24 D and would be very happy to learn from my elders and betters ... Here it is, with my old M4-P (I used the M9 to take the picture, of course). The cable is an old SC-17. The wrist strap is an old one, intended to screw into the tripod bushing of a compact camera; the on-flash connector of the cable has a tripod bushing so you can mount it on a tripod, if you want. I don't. All Nikon SC cables of this general design do work, but you will of course not need the latest one with an autofocus light in the camera connector. I hope this makes it all clear. The old man from the Age of Flash Powder Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/104954-m9-and-the-sf24d-need-help/?do=findComment&comment=1142558'>More sharing options...
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lars_bergquist Posted December 7, 2009 Share #22 Posted December 7, 2009 My guess is because the rise and extinguish time of high intensity LED's is still too slow. Also the cost of the HID tubes used by traditional flashes has become so low and the performance so satisfactory, that there is no pressure to replace these. I was given as my christmas present in 1959, a Metz 102 flash. As my father had forgotten to take off the price tag, I knew it cost £26/10/-. Corrected for inflation, that is about £470, which coincidentally is pretty much exactly the price of an SF58-D. Its internal rechargeable battery lasted about 25 feeble flashes and died after some 2 years. Some things have improved enormously. Wilson Wilson, that was just a year after I bought my first electronic flash, a Braun unit. It had a lead-acid battery in a shoulder pack. Enough said. Ye olde mann from the Age of Flash Powder Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabriel Posted December 7, 2009 Share #23 Posted December 7, 2009 Another lead that I have just received and tested is the Nissin SC-01 which apart from allowing the use of Leica flashes off camera and also has an additional shoe on top of its camera end that allows the use of a viewfinder on the camera at the same time as the off camera flash. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted December 7, 2009 Share #24 Posted December 7, 2009 Another lead that I have just received and tested is the Nissin SC-01 which apart from allowing the use of Leica flashes off camera and also has an additional shoe on top of its camera end that allows the use of a viewfinder on the camera at the same time as the off camera flash. Gabriel, Does that do GNC preflash exposure or is it auto only? Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jager Posted December 7, 2009 Share #25 Posted December 7, 2009 Like Lars, I have the old SC-17. The SC-28 is what you want if you're buying one today. One benefit of the new model is that the cord doesn't project forward over the camera, but projects to the side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giordano Posted December 7, 2009 Share #26 Posted December 7, 2009 I would have thought that LEDs response times are far better than HIDs and also a lot more controllable. Also would have been far better and responsive in machine gun shooting. And most than anything it would make more compact units, Leica should introduce a really compact flash made of LEDs for the M9 I think the issue is with power supplies and current rather than the response time of the LEDs. Current LEDs are adequate for feeble camera-phone flashes, with power supplies that put about 1A at 5V through each LED for about 150ms. WIth three LEDs in the phone that gives you about 2.4 joules per flash. A small flash for real photography needs five to ten times this much light, delivered in say 1.5ms rather than 150ms - a hundredth of the time. So instead of 3A for the camera phone, a proper flash would need about 15kA to 30kA ... i.e. thousands of LEDs and their power supplies. The technology still has some way to go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted December 7, 2009 Share #27 Posted December 7, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Another lead that I have just received and tested is the Nissin SC-01 which apart from allowing the use of Leica flashes off camera and also has an additional shoe on top of its camera end that allows the use of a viewfinder on the camera at the same time as the off camera flash. That would be convenient. Can we have a link? The old Magnesium Man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcoombs Posted December 7, 2009 Share #28 Posted December 7, 2009 That would be convenient. Can we have a link? The old Magnesium Man B&H has it in stock for $59.- with free domestic shipping. Don't know about foreign shipping prices. Nissin | SC-01 Coiled Universal Off-Camera Shoe Cord | NDSC01 Doug Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicoleica Posted December 7, 2009 Share #29 Posted December 7, 2009 B&H has it in stock for $59.- with free domestic shipping. Don't know about foreign shipping prices. Nissin | SC-01 Coiled Universal Off-Camera Shoe Cord | NDSC01 Doug Amazon (UK) is listing it at £14.48. Even though the picture is of a battery holder, the description and reviews seem to be the right item. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted December 7, 2009 Share #30 Posted December 7, 2009 Here is the Nissin link, with a good description: http://www.nissindigital.com/en/SC-01.html The old man from the Age of Flashpowder Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted December 7, 2009 Share #31 Posted December 7, 2009 Amazon (UK) is listing it at £14.48. Even though the picture is of a battery holder, the description and reviews seem to be the right item. Nicole, That price is for the battery holder not the cord. If you look at the other sellers listings, you can see that. The best UK deal for the SC-01 I have found, is from Bristol Cameras @ £39.95 but I know they will not send outside UK. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicoleica Posted December 7, 2009 Share #32 Posted December 7, 2009 Hi Wilson, I must admit that the price does seem rather cheap, if it were the right item. It's complicated by the description being correct for the cable, but the price and picture seem to match a battery holder. Oh well. Lars, I just looked for dealers more local to you, and Scandinavian Photo have them in stock for SEK 595. Nissin Blixtsko kabel universal SC-01 Foto > Kameratillbehör > Blixtar/Blixtillbehör > Tillbehör > köp den hos Scandinavian Photo AB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted December 8, 2009 Share #33 Posted December 8, 2009 Thanks, Nicole. I now have the SC 01, and it works. The on-camera connector is a bit high, so that an accessory finder stuck into its shoe will have a bit of extra parallax, but nothing that I can't handle. The switch on it selects between the two shoes; you cannot fire two flashes simultaneously. No problem for me. Old man Flash Bergquist Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMacD Posted December 21, 2009 Share #34 Posted December 21, 2009 SF24D on the M9 - off camera option I have read about Sean's advice on the remote cord, but I chose to go with a simple radio remote by interfit, for all of $49 or less than the cord. It works for me. No, I can only shoot manual or auto, but that's good enough. Yeah, I know it is probably unreliable, but I don't shoot weddings for profit as Sean does. Here was my issue, I use the M9 for available light shots. Landscape, architecture, street, people, in that order. But sometimes, say at a party, I needed flash to freeze a fast moving subject. 1/15 second was a blur. And I was competing with other party goers with point and shoots who could get the shot I couldn't without flash. Either I used a lux-4 or put the SF 24D on the hot shoe. But as an available light shooter, I hate straight on flash. If I had to use flash, I wanted off center lighting. Solution, off camera remote flash. But I didn't want a big system when I had such a nice small camera. Nix the cord, skip the pocket wizard as pretty large. So I got the cheap interfit China trigger. Why do people knock the China triggers? I know I am giving up reading off the lens and reliability, but as I said, I am merely shooting these shots for fun. The system is nice and very small, especially the hotshoe trigger. The 24D is not required to be used, I might find an even smaller flash, given through the lens auto is not available in this set up anyway. I guess my point is that I should have gotten the trigger before I bought the 24D, and I might have skipped the 24D. Go to a camera store that has this simple kind of trigger in stock and try it out, I did, and that's how I came to buy it. Notes on the use of the trigger. The trigger only sends a signal when the flash is fired, so the battery lasts forever on the trigger, and does not need to be turned on or off. The receiver is powered by two aaa batteries that have a micro on off switch. There is a test light that shows the signal is being received. The only failures I have had came from dead batteries on the receiver that came with the unit, and inadvertently knocking a micro switch out of position on the channel selector. I might just tape them over, to avoid mistakes. And Sean, I will probably add the wrist cord on the flash to match the wrist cord on the M down the line. Those of you who have not read his advice on how to focus a manual lens while holding a flash in the other hand need to subscribe to his site. My photo below is to convey relative sizes, This site below shows how it the Interfit looks separate from a camera: Interfit Strobies Hot Shoe and Studio Lighting Radio Trigger Set (INT492) - Warehouse Express Jack Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/104954-m9-and-the-sf24d-need-help/?do=findComment&comment=1159598'>More sharing options...
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