nhabedi Posted November 16, 2009 Share #1 Posted November 16, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) So, lots of forum members already "explained" how the X1 would have been a nice camera if it only had this and that and if the price were a lot lower while in its current form and with competition from Panasonic, Olympus, Sigma, and Ricoh it'd be an obvious disaster for Leica. Seems that's not quite true: BJP has also learnt that initial orders for the Leica X1 camera have been unprecendented, forcing Leica to triple its projections for the compact camera. (Source: British Journal of Photography - Leica S2: Up to 200 units available next month. I guess they meant "unprecedented".) My apologies if this has been posted before, but I don't remember having seen it, at least not in the X1 forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted November 16, 2009 Posted November 16, 2009 Hi nhabedi, Take a look here Demand for X1 higher than expected. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jsrockit Posted November 16, 2009 Share #2 Posted November 16, 2009 Not trying to downplay anything, but the numbers may not have been that high in the first place since Leica is a niche product. In any case, it is great to hear that they are doing better than expected, no matter how low expectations may have been. I also don't think hardcore Leica users would be swayed by those other brands... unless the Leica offering was just horrible, which the X1 does not seem to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speenth Posted November 16, 2009 Share #3 Posted November 16, 2009 BJP: " ... initial orders for the Leica X1 camera have been unprecedented, forcing Leica to triple its projections for the compact camera". Great marketing hype, couched in wonderfully subjective language - I guess that means three people have pre-ordered rather than the one that Leica expected. Such a statement is completely meaningless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhabedi Posted November 16, 2009 Author Share #4 Posted November 16, 2009 Great marketing hype One small sentence about the X1 at the end of an article about the S2 is what you call "great marketing hype"? You need to get out more... I guess that means three people have pre-ordered rather than the one that Leica expected. Why is it such a common theme in this forum to assume that the people at Leica are either fools or liars? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted November 16, 2009 Share #5 Posted November 16, 2009 Why is it such a common theme in this forum to assume that the people at Leica are either fools or liars? You would think this a forum for Leica haters at times... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted November 16, 2009 Share #6 Posted November 16, 2009 I guess it depends on how you classify car salesmen. (Substitute camera for car) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speenth Posted November 16, 2009 Share #7 Posted November 16, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) One small sentence about the X1 at the end of an article about the S2 is what you call "great marketing hype"? You need to get out more... Why is it such a common theme in this forum to assume that the people at Leica are either fools or liars? Serves me right for giving my cynical tendencies free rein and then not making myself clear. I am not one to 'assume that the people at Leica are either fools or liars'. I was expressing frustration at the general tendency of promoters to use exacting terms in a subjective way. When Government says it's doubled resources to clear a backlog it means its added a spotty work-experience school-leaver to the army of one civil servant already overwhelmed by the task. That is the language of 'tripled expectations' - long on story-telling and short on facts. It was this principle I had a mental moment over - no more than that. Then there's this term 'unprecedented' - compared to what? I know, I'm off again ..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhabedi Posted November 16, 2009 Author Share #8 Posted November 16, 2009 That is the language of 'tripled expectations' - long on story-telling and short on facts. Well, my take on the tripled expectations is that Leica of course made an estimate of how many X1s they expected to sell. That's obviously what you have to do. And, having been in severe trouble more than once, they probably made a pretty conservative estimate. Still, they will have estimated to sell enough copies of the camera to make a profit. Otherwise, why should they offer it at all? In other words: No, they didn't expect to only sell one X1. Yes, I know you were cynical, but I have no reason to doubt that they have far more orders than they expected and that their expectations were maybe modest but still reasonable. The triple of that is obviously a pretty good thing (for Leica) and that's what I wrote initially. I didn't say the X1 will dwarf any other camera in terms of sales figures - nor did Leica or the BJP. Then there's this term 'unprecedented' - compared to what? I know, I'm off again ..... That's what the BJP wrote and it's journalist bla bla. I don't think that was a verbatim quote from Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted November 17, 2009 Share #9 Posted November 17, 2009 ... Then there's this term 'unprecedented' - compared to what? ... Why, compared to precedent, obviously, nth. Leica has introduced new models previously, you know. Curious to get tied up by BJP writing rather than recognizing that whatever Leica's expectations were, they've been well exceeded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted November 17, 2009 Share #10 Posted November 17, 2009 And in regard to "unprecedented": Same thing noted by a visitor to the Erlebnistag on the German side. The term seems to have come from Stephan Daniel hiself: Ich glaube, soviel verraten zu dürfen, daß SD sagte, in seiner gesamten Zeit bei Leica (und die ist ziemlich lange schon) noch nie eine solche Auftragsvorlage erlebt zu haben. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnolio Posted April 22, 2010 Share #11 Posted April 22, 2010 .. Why is it such a common theme in this forum to assume that the people at Leica are either fools or liars? I second this. magnolio Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest badbob Posted April 22, 2010 Share #12 Posted April 22, 2010 I've heard they make 100 X1's per day, which I think is darn good in a factory that's dominated by M9's and S2's at many times the X1's price. That's an indication of good integrity, pushing out the low-cost product in small numbers despite the obviously much greater profits to be had if they dumped the X1 onto someone else and concentrated on the M9 and S2 instead. It's ironic how the X1 can be seen by some people as outrageously expensive as a simple fixed-lens compact camera for $2000 u.s., and yet be seen as a great bargain by other people comparing to an M9 with lens for ~$11000. I am still in awe at Leica that they produced a triple-crown winner in 2009, making three new cameras, all of them the best of their type, and from such a small company. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nippa Posted April 22, 2010 Share #13 Posted April 22, 2010 Given the price of the Nikon Body containing the same Sony Sensor and add the cost of a similar lens for the M series , I wonder how much profit there is in an X1. I wouldn't be surprised to see prices rise substantially. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted April 22, 2010 Share #14 Posted April 22, 2010 Given the price of the Nikon Body containing the same Sony Sensor and add the cost of a similar lens for the M series , I wonder how much profit there is in an X1. I wouldn't be surprised to see prices rise substantially. I'm not so sure that would be a good idea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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