Guest Chris M Posted November 7, 2009 Share #1 Posted November 7, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) So, now that the M9 is out, what could we realistically see in the new M10? if it ever comes to be? Please be realistic, because I'm an M8 user and absolutly loves this camera, but really other than the crop factor I really can't tell the differance from "excellant examples of the M8 original prints (no upgrades) or the new FF M9's printed files, both in A3 and A4 prints.I'm just wondering if Leica is pretty much maxed out on performance that can be seen with the naked eye, [other than noise at high iso's.] Remember lets be serious here pleazzzzzzzzzzzzzzz:D thanks in advance for your comments. chris m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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j. borger Posted November 7, 2009 Share #2 Posted November 7, 2009 Yes we have reached the point where the difference between M8 and M9 is marginal and the pictures from all digital cameras look more or less the same. So i am backing off ... back to MF film, shooting Hasselblad and Rolleiflex again and having fun. Digital is so uncool these days!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
amedick Posted November 8, 2009 Share #3 Posted November 8, 2009 I would like to see the M7 rewind knob come back to the M10, implemented as ISO selector. This would give the three main variables of shutter speed, aperature and ISO a dedicated ring or dial in a natural spot when looking through viewfinder. Totally agree on shutter speed display in manual mode. Would like to see if possible Iso and aperature through viewfinder. Could be time for an advaced matrix metering mode. An electrical shutter release would be welcome also. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted November 8, 2009 Share #4 Posted November 8, 2009 My wish list is below...[blah blah] Rich, with your list of bulleted points (a few of which you make frequently) you are fast becoming the Frank/BigSplash of the M8 forum. (a feeling I can't somehow shake, reinforced by inane posts asking for a "digital MP" with a cloth shutter and no LCD - we're in 2009 not 1939 )! You can roll your eyes as much as you like but the fact that you admit to having never shot a roll of film makes it clear where you are coming from. There's nothing inane at all about wishing for a camera of traditional M proportions. The thicker size of the M8/9 alters the handling somewhat and I personally rank handling as more important than being able to chimp. If a digital M of M6 size and proportions means losing the LCD I'd happily wave goodbye to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted November 8, 2009 Share #5 Posted November 8, 2009 If a digital M of M6 size and proportions means losing the LCD I'd happily wave goodbye to it. How would you set all the parameters that are currently set using the rear screen? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted November 8, 2009 Share #6 Posted November 8, 2009 How would you set all the parameters that are currently set using the rear screen? If it was DNG only (fine with me) you'd only need to set the ISO and that could be done via a disc on the back like you have with the M6. A reinstated top plate LCD (something I do agree with Rich about) could show shots remaining, battery state, etc. It might even show a little histogram of the last shot (something I think one of the Hasselblad H series cameras had). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicoleica Posted November 8, 2009 Share #7 Posted November 8, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) If it was DNG only (fine with me) you'd only need to set the ISO and that could be done via a disc on the back like you have with the M6. A reinstated top plate LCD (something I do agree with Rich about) could show shots remaining, battery state, etc. It might even show a little histogram of the last shot (something I think one of the Hasselblad H series cameras had). And all the other parameters could be pre-loaded into a file on the memory card. So that each card would act like a particular film did, as far as white-balance and other characteristics are concerned. :D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted November 8, 2009 Share #8 Posted November 8, 2009 If it was DNG only (fine with me) you'd only need to set the ISO and that could be done via a disc on the back like you have with the M6. And white balance? Formatting the card? lens recognition/filter? How would those be set? Date and time? How would that be set? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted November 8, 2009 Share #9 Posted November 8, 2009 So that each card would act like a particular film did, as far as white-balance and other characteristics are concerned. :D Nicole, thanks for putting the smiley on the end of your post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicoleica Posted November 8, 2009 Share #10 Posted November 8, 2009 Nicole, thanks for putting the smiley on the end of your post. Steve, you are most welcome. It's a shame that I forgot to mention the little wrist-watch style knob for setting the time and date though. :D:D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted November 8, 2009 Share #11 Posted November 8, 2009 The ability to view your images instantly is one of the few real advantages of digital photography, I don't see any point in doing away with that for the sake of a slightly smaller camera. It would sell about as well as a screenless laptop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted November 8, 2009 Share #12 Posted November 8, 2009 And white balance? Formatting the card? lens recognition/filter? How would those be set? Date and time? How would that be set? But this is herd like nerd-think. The whole point of the 'digital-MP' is to get away from all this stuff - at least as far as the camera itself is concerned. In any case, none of these things require a 2.5" LCD on the back - all could be set by tiny buttons at the bottom of the camera kept out of the way underneath the baseplate. The date/time setting could be viewable and set on the top plate LCD by a few button presses. The objective would be for a camera with the feel of an M6/MP - i.e. an M of 'normal' thickness without any distractions (in tactile terms) on the rear. I don't expect for a second that Leica would offer anything like the above but that doesn't mean that I shouldn't like such a camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest EarlBurrellPhoto Posted November 8, 2009 Share #13 Posted November 8, 2009 My wish list is belowSeveral of my suggestions actually reinstate features present in the M8.2 but downgraded in the M9 -- one of the reasons I'm not getting the M9! • Reinstate the top plate LCD But make it usable this time, so ISO, battery charge, shots remaining, white balance and exposure compensation are permanently visible when the camera is turned on -- and let's you know if the camera's gone to sleep! A back light button for when it's would be handy too... • Frame lines set for 2 m I prefer the framing accuracy of the M8.2 • Sapphire glass LCD cover Again like the M8.2 • Better high-ISO performance Not asking for mega-high ISOs -- just state-of-the-art low noise up to 1600 ISO would do for me. • Better weatherproofing Not full waterproofing necessarily but at least make it showerproof so I don't have to panic immediately it starts to rain! +1 to all, plus I would add: Menu setting for "UV+IR=ON" For firmware correction of cyan drift when IR front filters are used to remove the rest of the IR which the sensor's cover glass allows to pass. I fully expect to see some or all of these features appear in an M9.2, either by Spring 2010 or at latest Photokina in the fall. The only "if" is whether or not Leica will offer an upgrade to early adopters so that they can buy up to the M9.2 without having to lose thousands of dollars to trade. (Of course now I expect to hear a cacaphony of "I'm keeping my M9 for my grandchildren" but we know how that goes, don't we ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljclark Posted November 8, 2009 Share #14 Posted November 8, 2009 It's a shame that I forgot to mention the little wrist-watch style knob for setting the time and date though. :D:D Almost choked on a potato chip (crisp?) when I read that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
morffin Posted November 8, 2009 Share #15 Posted November 8, 2009 M10 wish list. Manual shutter re cocking ... using the old film advance mechanism....how sweet would a M10 that is as silent as my old M6 be! MUCH better high ISO performance. Better battery life. Full frame. That is all .... put that out there and Ill plop down 7 or 8 k for a new M. For now I am happy as can be with my orig M8...rather spend 7k on other things....like food for the kids or NY Rangers season tickets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
epand56 Posted November 9, 2009 Share #16 Posted November 9, 2009 M10 wish list. • Atomic energy for years of use without any battery problem. • Eye-to-lens (ETL) lens recognition. You show the camera a lens and SHE immediately knows what it is. • Radar guided Anti-Nikon-Canon 20mm Vulcan machine gun. • Anti-G mode to make the camera fluctuate in the air to avoid boring use of a tripod. • Brain-to-brain user-to-camera mental communication to set all the functions (ISO, WB, speed, aperture, machine gun, etc.) • Revolving Leica- red dot to Zorki black dot for use in unsafe urban environments (like James Bond's DB5,s plate, you know... ) • Vocal communications between camera and user (kind of: You are blowing the highlights, idiot!) I'm being silly, I know, not intended to offend anybody here, just joking. I still have to decide if I want to buy an M9, can't really think on what I would like to have on a camera that will be probably issued in 5-6 years (if ever will be). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 9, 2009 Share #17 Posted November 9, 2009 Interesting that all these wishes are aired in the M8 forum . As I mailed a prospective buyer yesterday, all the differences taken on their own are just evolutionary, maybe even marginal. As a whole, however, in actual use, the sum is more than the parts. The M9 is definitely an M8 "grown up". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted November 9, 2009 Share #18 Posted November 9, 2009 It's a shame that I forgot to mention the little wrist-watch style knob for setting the time and date though. :D:D I realise you are taking the piss (which is fair enough) but ask yourself what kind of 'user interface' you prefer when setting the time on your watch - a simple pull out and twist crown or a series of little geeky buttons? Simple analogue controls with minimal choice win for me every time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
graeme_hutton Posted November 9, 2009 Share #19 Posted November 9, 2009 • Atomic energy for years of use without any battery problem. • Eye-to-lens (ETL) lens recognition. You show the camera a lens and SHE immediately knows what it is. • Radar guided Anti-Nikon-Canon 20mm Vulcan machine gun. • Anti-G mode to make the camera fluctuate in the air to avoid boring use of a tripod. • Brain-to-brain user-to-camera mental communication to set all the functions (ISO, WB, speed, aperture, machine gun, etc.) • Revolving Leica- red dot to Zorki black dot for use in unsafe urban environments (like James Bond's DB5,s plate, you know... ) • Vocal communications between camera and user (kind of: You are blowing the highlights, idiot!) I'm being silly, I know, not intended to offend anybody here, just joking. I still have to decide if I want to buy an M9, can't really think on what I would like to have on a camera that will be probably issued in 5-6 years (if ever will be). V-Amusing! Graeme Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicoleica Posted November 9, 2009 Share #20 Posted November 9, 2009 I realise you are taking the piss (which is fair enough) but ask yourself what kind of 'user interface' you prefer when setting the time on your watch - a simple pull out and twist crown or a series of little geeky buttons? Simple analogue controls with minimal choice win for me every time. I fully agree with you that a simple analogue control is preferable to frantic button pushing. I always liked the lift-and-twist ISO selection that used to be popular. That's one reason why my SLR cameras are made by a manufacturer who's name sounds similar to mine, as even now they tend to have more dedicated knobs and dials than other makes. Having said that, I do understand why button stabbing menu control is needed, as the number of control variables on a digital camera are far too many for individual controls. My suggestion of pre-loaded parameters on the memory card was really only half in jest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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