diogenis Posted November 4, 2009 Share #1 Posted November 4, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Clarifies what Hans and others were trying to find about whether or not M9 outputs untouched files. As I was expecting, Leica stays true with its core values and promises, giving us a tool that is most likely the most precise reproduction with highest fidelity of a certain moment. Nice photos and tests against a Canon 5MKII. A great article and a great edition (November 2009) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted November 4, 2009 Posted November 4, 2009 Hi diogenis, Take a look here Great new LFI article.... I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Wonka Posted November 4, 2009 Share #2 Posted November 4, 2009 Clarifies what Hans and others were trying to find about whether or not M9 outputs untouched files.As I was expecting, Leica stays true with its core values and promises, giving us a tool that is most likely the most precise reproduction with highest fidelity of a certain moment. Nice photos and tests against a Canon 5MKII. A great article and a great edition (November 2009) How does one here in the U.S. obtain a copy of this magazine? Is it subscription only? If so, will they deliver here in the U.S.? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted November 4, 2009 Share #3 Posted November 4, 2009 Personally, I found the article so boring I couldn't get more than half a page into it. What was interesting was the Morocco feature shot by Stefan Rohner using an M8. It shows just how good that camera's output can be when shot by a decent photographer and with the files properly processed (compare the superb shots on pages 73 and 77 with the flat comparison crap on page 44). Frankly, the Rohner feature is the worst possible advert for spending the extra cash on the M9 vis-à-vis the now much unloved M8. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogenis Posted November 4, 2009 Author Share #4 Posted November 4, 2009 Ian, comparisons are just that: they compare things, so next time when you are in Morocco, you will be assured that by taking a pic like that in p73 your result will look like a painting and capture the moment with fidelity. Not just Morocco the whole issue is great Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted November 4, 2009 Share #5 Posted November 4, 2009 Ian, comparisons are just that: they compare things, so next time when you are in Morocco, you will be assured that by taking a pic like that in p73 your result will look like a painting and capture the moment with fidelity. Not just Morocco the whole issue is great No, you miss my point regarding the comparisons. Apart from being boring beyond belief they don't really prove much because the comparisons are made between images that are not processed properly for end use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted November 4, 2009 Share #6 Posted November 4, 2009 Ian - tend to agree. Also it's critical to remember what a truly great camera the M8 is! When I was using it I loved it and did some of the best work with it I've done in years - largely because it was with me all the time! M9? It's great. But it's an evolution - not the revolution that the M8 was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogenis Posted November 4, 2009 Author Share #7 Posted November 4, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) No, you miss my point regarding the comparisons. Apart from being boring beyond belief they don't really prove much because the comparisons are made between images that are not processed properly for end use. So, Wattsy, you disagree with the procedure itself as was run by LFI. Well, it is your right to believe so, but to me, they really proved their point quite well, unless they cheated which I don't believe so . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockyIII Posted November 4, 2009 Share #8 Posted November 4, 2009 How does one here in the U.S. obtain a copy of this magazine? Is it subscription only? If so, will they deliver here in the U.S.? When I bought an M8.2, it came with a free subscription to LFI. You can also subscribe and purchase back issues on the website at https://www.lfi-online.de/ceemes/. Rocky Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted November 4, 2009 Share #9 Posted November 4, 2009 So, Wattsy, you disagree with the procedure itself as was run by LFI. Not really, I just can't get very excited by it. Magazines (and websites) are increasingly too full of that kind of content nowadays and I just don't find it very interesting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 4, 2009 Share #10 Posted November 4, 2009 I agree with Ian. A Leica M camera is bought because of the use of it as a rangefinder camera, not because of the superior or otherwise sensor performance. The only requirement in that respect is to me that it is in the same league as the top-end offerings of the market. Whether it is marginally better or worse than a Canikon XY is rather uninteresting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markowich Posted November 4, 2009 Share #11 Posted November 4, 2009 Clarifies what Hans and others were trying to find about whether or not M9 outputs untouched files.As I was expecting, Leica stays true with its core values and promises, giving us a tool that is most likely the most precise reproduction with highest fidelity of a certain moment. Nice photos and tests against a Canon 5MKII. A great article and a great edition (November 2009) what is an untouched file? even if it only contains the number of photons (of the respective frequency) per pixel, the raw converter will touch it and do bayer interpolation etc. so this is a meaningless concept. peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted November 4, 2009 Share #12 Posted November 4, 2009 Peter, there was some speculation that Leica was applying noise-reduction to high-ISO images before writing them to dng format. And in-camera processing is toothpaste that can't be put back in the tube (if one prefers for the camera to provide maximum detail and then fine-tune any NR oneself). Sure, a raw converter will then touch it - but at least the photographer has direct control over a lot of what the raw converter does and how it does it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexc Posted November 4, 2009 Share #13 Posted November 4, 2009 How does one here in the U.S. obtain a copy of this magazine? Is it subscription only? If so, will they deliver here in the U.S.? I am in Canada and receive the magazine on a regular basis for three years now. Nice reading, great pictures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogenis Posted November 4, 2009 Author Share #14 Posted November 4, 2009 Not really, I just can't get very excited by it. Magazines (and websites) are increasingly too full of that kind of content nowadays and I just don't find it very interesting. Watsy, I agree on that, because this is exactly how I feel as well when I face yet another sterile and monotonous "review" where the reviewer starts criticizing things like 200.000 pixels of only 2.5" LCL screen and the like. But it is cool to know that the tool I'm working with does not contaminate its DNGs and that you get a pic as pure as it can be. Or that the colors are balanced as much as they can be... These are good things to know I believe... Regardless of if its a RF or a dSLR btw... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alun Posted November 4, 2009 Share #15 Posted November 4, 2009 Personally, I mourn Leica World. Now *that* was a great Leica mag. LFI -- well, I buy it occasionally, and sometimes buy back issues that attract me, but Leica World is the one that I always found to be pure unadulterated pleasure.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogenis Posted November 4, 2009 Author Share #16 Posted November 4, 2009 How does one here in the U.S. obtain a copy of this magazine? Is it subscription only? If so, will they deliver here in the U.S.? I bet they are but here is a link: LFI International Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BigSplash Posted November 4, 2009 Share #17 Posted November 4, 2009 I thought that the article in LFI was boring also, and as a technical person I usually enjoy reading this stuff...but NO it was boring. That said I did learn from the article. I discovered: The M9 (and M8) do NOT use anti aliasing filters and that seems to make a significant difference compared to the Canon My M8 does not seem to have the detail (see the street sign photo) compared to the M9 when blown up really large size due to fewer pixel count. Subtle image issues to my mind are lost on Canon compared to both M9/ M8 So much can be corrected in post production in any case I guess I was also left with an increasingly sinking feeling that I still cannot blame ANY Leica camera for poor actually less than best in class image quality at 35mm format ....frankly I have had that feeling since many years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markowich Posted November 4, 2009 Share #18 Posted November 4, 2009 Peter, there was some speculation that Leica was applying noise-reduction to high-ISO images before writing them to dng format. And in-camera processing is toothpaste that can't be put back in the tube (if one prefers for the camera to provide maximum detail and then fine-tune any NR oneself). Sure, a raw converter will then touch it - but at least the photographer has direct control over a lot of what the raw converter does and how it does it. that does not compensate for the poor performance above base iso and the mediocre DR. i am curious to the see the DXO tests of the M9. i guess there is no improvement over the M8. peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robofc Posted November 5, 2009 Share #19 Posted November 5, 2009 The photography in LFI is terrible. The test shots that appear in lens articles are terribly boring. What they need are better photographers showcasing what the lenses can do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted November 5, 2009 Share #20 Posted November 5, 2009 How does one here in the U.S. obtain a copy of this magazine? Is it subscription only? If so, will they deliver here in the U.S.? Won-- You can subscribe through the German site already mentioned, in either German or English. I did that for several years in the US. It's reliable, but the magazine arrives about a month after it goes on sale in the kiosks (if you can find someone who sells it on this side of the Atlantic). I suggest you instead contact German Language Publications instead (GLPNews.com home). Find the LFI page by typing "Leica" into the search box on that page. In my experience, with a subscription through GLP, you'll get the magazine two to three weeks earlier than going through the Germany link. And I think you can order back-issues from either site. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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