M9--35 Lux or cron

[thrice]

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Well, I can put my images where my mouth is: Summilux 24, 100% crops.

First ACR, second C1

 

Still some -real- CA, but still a dramatic difference.

 

It is caused by different algorithms in demosaicing and colour interpolation with high-resolving high-microcontrast lenses.

 

Different framing, different point of focus, and C1 applies automatic CA reduction. If it was demosaicing why would I have no CA with some lenses with similar DOF in similar exposures in ACR? Unless you have quotation from the engineers of either engine I'm not going to take your word over fundamental optical physics sorry.

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[jaapv]

Digital world. Not just optics, but optics and software. I agree, we all, me included have to be dragged into the new age with our heels dragging. The framing was the same, just different crops and I just used two subsequent images with 10 secs between them. I could use the same image with the same result. Anyway, results count and Leica themselves advise correcting in RAW conversion.

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[shootinglulu]

Andreas.... I was stating what i was told and hoping that someone would know rather more than i do on the topic of the new 35 Lux. It seems that you do so thankyou for that.

[wattsy]

Andreas.... I was stating what i was told and hoping that someone would know rather more than i do on the topic of the new 35 Lux. It seems that you do so thankyou for that.

 

He's only telling you what a dealer he trusts has told him.

 

One thing to bear in mind about a forthcoming 35 Summilux (if true) is that it will almost certainly retail above £3000. (When I started buying M lenses in 2002-3 you could buy any Summilux or the Noctilux and get change out of £1800.)

[fotografr]

I'll probably offload the Summicron, it's silver in mint condition, about 8 months old.

 

My suggestion: Buy this lens from Mike. He's a trustworthy guy and the Summicron is a fabulous lens.

[Mokkacream]

Andreas.... I was stating what i was told and hoping that someone would know rather more than i do on the topic of the new 35 Lux. It seems that you do so thankyou for that.

 

So do I.

I'm just a stupid user, but this was told me 3 weeks ago and again 2 days ago .

I just wrote it, thinking that it might be helpful deciding what to do regarding a 35.

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is it ok, if I'm asking for the nokton 35 1.2 in this thread?

Especially in the RF-forum I read a lot of positive about this lens

I would like to know, if anybody (who owns/knows both the summilux and the nokton) would prefer the nokton even when the price-difference isn't that important?

 

Michael

[yanidel]

is it ok, if I'm asking for the nokton 35 1.2 in this thread?

Especially in the RF-forum I read a lot of positive about this lens

I would like to know, if anybody (who owns/knows both the summilux and the nokton) would prefer the nokton even when the price-difference isn't that important?

 

Michael

I owned both at some point and found the Nokton to be a great lens too. But it was too heavy and I found the image to be duller, less contrasty than the Lux. Also performance wide open was better on the Lux.

[jonoslack]

Just received my new M9 today....Help me out with the right 35 lens to purchase....It appears that the 35 cron is better than the 35 lux...I hear about focus shift on the lux...Can someone explain what that is??...Based on what I read and have seen people lean more to the cron than the lux...Why is that ???

Thanks

 

Hi David

The later asph lenses (50 'lux and 75 'cron) had moving elements to deal with the focus shift (as I understand it). There is talk of a replacement 35 'lux to deal with this (presumably also with a floating element).

 

I've not owned a 35 'lux, so I can't comment. I have owned a 35 'cron . . and a 35 summarit. I still have the summarit. It's tiny and lovely and gentle, and if you don't need the speed, then it's a great partner to the M9.

[michali]

is it ok, if I'm asking for the nokton 35 1.2 in this thread?

Especially in the RF-forum I read a lot of positive about this lens

I would like to know, if anybody (who owns/knows both the summilux and the nokton) would prefer the nokton even when the price-difference isn't that important?

 

Michael

 

I've got the Nokton f1.2 as well. There must definitely be something seriously wrong with me. Come to think of it I've got, the following 35mm lenses: Summilux f1.4, Summicronf2 , Summarit f2.5 & Nokton f1.2 as well as the 28-35-50 Tri Elmar...........go figure.

 

At f2 I find the Nokton's resolution better on center than the Summicron, also less contrasty. Only drawback with the Nokton is that it's a fairly large lens.

 

If price is an issue and speed is no issue, go for the 35 mm Summarit it's an outstanding little lens, good value, you can't go wrong.

 

Do yourself a favor and subscribe to Sean Reid's website, it's worth far more than the few Dollars you pay to join. He has excellent reviews on all of these lenses. I don't buy a lens before I've checked out what Sean has to say about it. I guess that's why I've ended up with all these lenses, must be Sean's fault!

[BRJR]

Andreas,

 

Thanks for the info. I held off purchasing a Leica 35mm f/1.4 when I learned of the "focus-shift" issue; and, as I was new to Leica (had just purchased my M8.2), purchased a Leica 24mm f/1.4., 50mm f/0.95 and 90mm f/2.0 lenses. These three Leica lenses, including a Leica 90mm f/2.5 lens, I also have --- all work just great on both my M9 and M8.2 Bodies. Still, should Leica release a newer model 35mm f/1.4 lens that is at least as technologically advanced as the 24/ f1.4 and 50/f 0.95 leica lenses, I have --- I'll purchase one right away.

[Mauribix]

Andreas,

 

Thanks for the info. I held off purchasing a Leica 35mm f/1.4 when I learned of the "focus-shift" issue; and, as I was new to Leica (has just purchased my M8.2), purchased a Leica 24mm f/1.4., 50mm f/0.95 and 90mm f/2.0 lenses. These three Leica lenses, including a Leica 90mm f/2.5 lens, I also have --- all work just great on both my M9 and M8.2 Bodies. Still, should Leica release a newer model 35mm f/1.4 lens that is at least as technologically advanced as the 24/ f1.4 and 50/f 0.95 leica lenses, I have --- I'll purchase one right away.

 

Andreas, you must be a VIP.

Where did you buy an M9 (or just the M8.2?), a new Nocti 0.95 and a Lux 24 all at once?

If you're not kidding, then you're a lucky man indeed.

[adli]

I was new to Leica (had just purchased my M8.2), purchased a Leica 24mm f/1.4., 50mm f/0.95 and 90mm f/2.0 lenses. These three Leica lenses, including a Leica 90mm f/2.5 lens, I also have --- all work just great on both my M9 and M8.2 Bodies. Still, should Leica release a newer model 35mm f/1.4 lens that is at least as technologically advanced as the 24/ f1.4 and 50/f 0.95 leica lenses, I have --- I'll purchase one right away.

 

I envy your lens budget :-)

[Mauribix]

BTW, I was told by my personal trusty person (yeah, this is a rumour) that a new 35 and a prime 14mm lens where under development.

 

Actually I don't know how to trust my own rumour , anyway it's good to dream about it.

[Mokkacream]

Andreas, you must be a VIP.

Where did you buy an M9 (or just the M8.2?), a new Nocti 0.95 and a Lux 24 all at once?

If you're not kidding, then you're a lucky man indeed.

 

 

Maurice, it's not me, who bought those lenses. It was BRJR. As far as I'm concerned, I'm not a VIP at all.

 

But I was also lucky to get the M9 together with 3 nice lenses right away 10 days after my order. I think it has to do with the total amount of money you spend.

It's far more attractive to sell a body together with a couple of lenses than a sole body, don't you think?

[Mauribix]

Maurice, it's not me, who bought those lenses. It was BRJR. As far as I'm concerned, I'm not a VIP at all.

 

But I was also lucky to get the M9 together with 3 nice lenses right away 10 days after my order. I think it has to do with the total amount of money you spend.

It's far more attractive to sell a body together with a couple of lenses than a sole body, don't you think?

 

Sorry Andreas,

in fact I quoted BRJR, I just missed that he was not called Andreas! Sorry.

Anyway I'm sure it's far more attractive, unless the seller doesn't mind on eventual queue or preorders by other customers.

[manilius]

I have a M9 and 35mm Lux on order which should arrive in the next two weeks from Leica...

 

In order to make sure there's no shift problems, Leica are going to run some tests before despatch...

 

As for a new 35mm Lux model... According to Leica Germany there is NO likelihood of anything new in 2010...

 

The rumours of a new model are merely wishful thinking...

 

I've agonised too over the Lux and Cron... But with Leica offering to sort the Lux against the M9, I'm going with the Lux!

[Mauribix]

"In order to make sure there's no shift problems, Leica are going to run some tests before despatch..."

dunno what kind of test they could make since to solve the focus shift of the 35lux they should redesign the lens.

The 35lux suffers from focus shift, period.

There are samples where this is less visible, or simply (as I do) you can ignore the fact and happily live with it.

Anyway thinking of a 35lux perfectly performing without focus shift, that's wishful thinking.

While IMHO thinking that the oldest and fastest lens in the Leica lineup in the most important focal lenght for the RF system, has to be renewed, that I won't dare call it "wishful thinking".

That's logic IMHO.

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[Mokkacream]

In order to make sure there's no shift problems, Leica are going to run some tests before despatch...

 

Here it is:

"2) Leica calibrates the lens in a way to distribute the focus imperfection over a broader range of apertures. In this case, you do not get the maximum performance at any aperture, but the effect of focus shift is also diminshed (1) and not that accentuated anymore (2), because the obvious decrease in performance from 1.4 to 2 has been leveled."

 

Most people don't recognize, but they also don't know (with a lack of a chance for comparison - you would have to compare the 35 lux at 1.4, once optimized for 1.4 and once leveled over a range of apertures), that there actually could be a better performance.

So you won't recognize any problems with your new 35 kux. Don't bother.

 

As for a new 35mm Lux model... According to Leica Germany there is NO likelihood of anything new in 2010...

Nothing new in 2010? Sure?

[Mokkacream]

While IMHO thinking that the oldest and fastest lens in the Leica lineup in the most important focal lenght for the RF system, has to be renewed, that I won't dare call it "wishful thinking".

That's logic IMHO.

 

 

I agree.

 

Given, that Leica always tries to strive for the best possible and given, that the focusshift got just visible with the digital M, esp. the M9 because of the higher resolution (it wasn't an issue on film) and given that 35 mm is THE standard lens on a M, I guess that a new 35 lux design is more than only a wish in the near future.