pnoble Posted October 22, 2009 Share #1 Posted October 22, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I can't see both sides without shifting my eye position slightly. Others say they can, just. I'm curious as to whether this is actually viewer dependent? Eye or facial structure dependent? I' had wanted to get the 28mm 'Cron but this is a show stopper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 22, 2009 Posted October 22, 2009 Hi pnoble, Take a look here Can you see the M9 28mm frame lines?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
wattsy Posted October 22, 2009 Share #2 Posted October 22, 2009 I have to literally squash my eyeball onto the glass to see anything like both sides of the 28mm lines simultaneously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnoble Posted October 22, 2009 Author Share #3 Posted October 22, 2009 Pleased to know it's not just me! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mauribix Posted October 22, 2009 Share #4 Posted October 22, 2009 I've got the same "issue". BTW, Ian, my compliments for your works. I've just taken a look at your website, really great images on there. Ciao Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted October 22, 2009 Share #5 Posted October 22, 2009 Takes a bit of wiggling around - and sometimes you don't notice things (example below - the ghost in the machine?). The good news here was that I was able to clone myself out in LR! Still, generally I can live with it (and it's so much better as a 28 on the M9!). Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/101094-can-you-see-the-m9-28mm-frame-lines/?do=findComment&comment=1085703'>More sharing options...
pnoble Posted October 23, 2009 Author Share #6 Posted October 23, 2009 Great shot, Chris! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted October 23, 2009 Share #7 Posted October 23, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Great shot, Chris! Not much of an audience come to listen though... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wookchang Posted October 23, 2009 Share #8 Posted October 23, 2009 Yes, I can see well but I have to move my eyeball left and right a little bit. Mr. Tribble, this is a wonderful shot. You can photograph me playing or lecturing at any time. Many thanks in advance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeingeye Posted October 23, 2009 Share #9 Posted October 23, 2009 As a wearer of glasses, I can just about see the 35 framelines. With a 28, it is definitely a case of moving my eye around to see the edges. I don't yet have a M9, but it will probably push me to use a 35 as my standard when I do get one. For me, the situation is very similar to the .72 viewfinder on the film Ms, where the 28 framelines were also a bit out of reach, although my recollection is that it is not quite as severe as with the M9. There are doubtless knowledgeable people on the forum who can explain the differences in the ways that the two viewfinders are set up that could account for this. My suspicion is that it might have something to do with the framelines being set for 1 metre as opposed to 2 on the film cameras. The .58 viewfinder always worked much better. Regards Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebelfocus Posted October 23, 2009 Share #10 Posted October 23, 2009 I think it is somewhat dependent on the shape/design of your eyeball. Some people have no problem others have to squish their eye closer. I am close to being a squisher but it's still quite acceptable; I don't have to look around too much. If I am wearing my glasses it's a different story - I can see the 35 lines without problems but the 28s start to become a struggle. However, I hate wearing glasses when using my cameras so have a Leica screw-in dioptre lens instead; with this the 28 framelines are no problem. Compared to the M7, I find the 28 framelines are easier to see (perhaps because of the slightly lower viewfinder magnification). I also find all the the framelines on the M9 clearer and brighter than either the M7 or M8.2. Also, the frameline pairings are much, much better than the M8. It's a really nice viewfinder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnoble Posted October 23, 2009 Author Share #11 Posted October 23, 2009 Which raises the question, Tony, whether a diopter lens will change the effective angle of view slightly? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebelfocus Posted October 23, 2009 Share #12 Posted October 23, 2009 Which raises the question, Tony, whether a diopter lens will change the effective angle of view slightly? It doesn't really. it's very a very slim disc of metal (coated in rubber paint) that screws into the viewfinder. It doesn't stick out like the magnifiers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnoble Posted October 23, 2009 Author Share #13 Posted October 23, 2009 Might it have an optical effect? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted October 23, 2009 Share #14 Posted October 23, 2009 Might it have an optical effect? Yes - it lets you see what's going on and focus accurately I use a +3.5 on all my M bodies and really couldn't manage without... Can't bear wearing glasses when using a camera... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted October 23, 2009 Share #15 Posted October 23, 2009 That probably means mounting the 1.15x variable diopter Megaperls magnifier, which I leave on all the time on my M8 is a no-no. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted October 24, 2009 Share #16 Posted October 24, 2009 . Also, the frameline pairings are much, much better than the M8. :confused:The only difference is the M9 substitutes 135mm for the M8's 24mm. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebelfocus Posted October 24, 2009 Share #17 Posted October 24, 2009 :confused:The only difference is the M9 substitutes 135mm for the M8's 24mm. Jeff Yes, I always felt the 24-35 pair was confusing on the M8 (too close together). On the M9 the 35-135 pair is much easier on the eye. Also, the lines for the 50 are drawn in a different way with less open space in the corners so it's more of a rectangle now and easier to work with. if you like using 35 and 50, these are nice improvements. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted October 24, 2009 Share #18 Posted October 24, 2009 Which raises the question, Tony, whether a diopter lens will change the effective angle of view slightly? Yes it will. Not sure why another poster says it won't. The diopter lenses have thickness, and it's not that thin and it is not a painted on rubber coating around it. Any added thickness to the eyepiece will change the angle of view of the viewfinder window, increasing the tunnel you look through. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted October 24, 2009 Share #19 Posted October 24, 2009 Indeed it will, Ed. I use the +1.0 diopter, which moves the 28 framelines to the very edge of visibility or even beyond it, when looking through the optical axis. However, when moving your eye around outside the centre, there is quite a lot of leeway to the edge of the the viewfinder itself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted October 24, 2009 Share #20 Posted October 24, 2009 There is the matter of eye relief -- the distance from your cornea to the eyepiece lens. This should be less with a diopter than with specs, and less enforced eye relief *should* mean a larger field of view. I do not notice much of a difference however. Admittedly, I wear fairly small-framed specs with relatively thin lenses, so I can bring the eyeball up close. I still cannot see the short edges of the 28mm frame on my M4 (0.72x finder). So I do prefer to use an accessory 28mm finder whenever the shoe is not otherwise occupied. The M9 'should' be easier with its 0.68x finder, but this is not so. It seems that the M4-P, M6 etc 28mm frames were simply squeezed in as best as could be managed, without much concern for accuracy. The M9 frame may be more accurate, but is still not completely visible for specs wearers. So my 28mm finder will still find employment. The old man from the Age of the Brilliant Finder Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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