nhabedi Posted November 3, 2009 Share #41 Posted November 3, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) The only example I know of where one of his negs was cropped - with his agreement, that is - is the famous shot of the man jumping a puddle, where he had to shoot between the bars of a fence, which intruded into the frame. There's another example - the picture of Cardinal Pacelli. It wasn't taken with a Leica but with some big box and he had to hold it over his head because he was in a crowd - so essentially he was shooting "blind". What is kind of sad is that for some time (in the 80s and 90s) in some of his books these two cropped photos were printed with "negative frames" as if they were uncropped like the rest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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telewatt Posted November 3, 2009 Share #42 Posted November 3, 2009 This insistence on no cropping - although the logic behind it seems clear - led to some unfortunate results in, I think, the early 1950s, when he was using one of those III-series cameras where the positioning of the image overlaps slightly the perforations of the film. These show up as a row of black marks along the bottom edge of his prints of that era. I have one of the bodies with this overlap - mine is a 1938 Leica III - and I've never understood just why such a quality-oriented and meticulous company as Leitz could send these out for sale. I asked, many years ago, a very experienced repairer, who had trained in with Leitz in Germany in the late 1950s, if he could adjust the framing on my camera to avoid this problem (I assumed that it was out of adjustment). He told me that this was no easy task, and would involve some major work. He couldn't offer, however, any explanation why it should be this way, although it's a well-known phenomenon. David ...the problem happends by not using the original reloadable film cassettes from LEITZ.... They are higher than the "normal" Filmcassettes from KODAK, FUJI...you normaly buy in a shop... ..so the film "falls" a little bit down... regards, Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidStone Posted November 3, 2009 Share #43 Posted November 3, 2009 ...the problem happends by not using the original reloadable film cassettes from LEITZ....They are higher than the "normal" Filmcassettes from KODAK, FUJI...you normaly buy in a shop... ..so the film "falls" a little bit down... regards, Jan I have one of those brass cassettes, I'll check on that. But are you saying that this will happen with all pre-M Leicas used with modern cassettes? David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hiles Posted November 3, 2009 Share #44 Posted November 3, 2009 This MSNBC article dates the photo on 1989 Photographer Cartier-Bresson dies - World news- msnbc.com and gives credit of the photographer. Here's one from 1991 fokussiert.com That would make him 81 in the first picture, and 83 in the very nice second one. I think he looks great - in very good shape for his age. This is also interesting, in that he apparently "gave up" photography in the 1970s. There are some pictures, particularly some great portraits, after that but not so many. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
telewatt Posted November 3, 2009 Share #45 Posted November 3, 2009 I have one of those brass cassettes, I'll check on that. But are you saying that this will happen with all pre-M Leicas used with modern cassettes? David David, not with all, it was able to change it for modern cassettes......if they have the little "stopper" a pice of metal to hold the modern cassettes, the camera works "normal"... regards, Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted November 3, 2009 Share #46 Posted November 3, 2009 Jan & Luigi, can you, please, check the hood on this pict I reworked ? it seems that there is a wire from 6 o'clock to eight o'clock passing by the vent, may be it is a part of the system he found to keep it on the lens. The 2/50 hood is too small but the 1.4/50 let few clearance around the lens. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/100608-portrait-of-cartier-bresson/?do=findComment&comment=1101610'>More sharing options...
DavidStone Posted November 3, 2009 Share #47 Posted November 3, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) David, not with all, it was able to change it for modern cassettes......if they have the little "stopper" a pice of metal to hold the modern cassettes, the camera works "normal"... regards, Jan I just checked in the catalogue of H. C-B's "Europeans". The shots that show the intrusive perforations most clearly are those he took in Ireland in 1952, when he would have been using a IIIf (?). So you are saying that even at this late stage, all Leica camera bodies were designed to be used with the re-loadable cassette, and needed a "stopper" (spacer?) to centre the film when using what was then a standard cassette? I've never heard of this. Could you be more specific? David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
telewatt Posted November 3, 2009 Share #48 Posted November 3, 2009 I just checked in the catalogue of H. C-B's "Europeans". The shots that show the intrusive perforations most clearly are those he took in Ireland in 1952, when he would have been using a IIIf (?). So you are saying that even at this late stage, all Leica camera bodies were designed to be used with the re-loadable cassette, and needed a "stopper" (spacer?) to centre the film when using what was then a standard cassette? I've never heard of this. Could you be more specific? David David, I have to correct it a little bit...all LEITZ screwmount cameras having this problem, without the IIIg....! this camera has the little pice to stop the film...(see it in the picture from "str" of the German Forum) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! regards, Jan Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! regards, Jan ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/100608-portrait-of-cartier-bresson/?do=findComment&comment=1101670'>More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted November 3, 2009 Share #49 Posted November 3, 2009 David, I have to correct it a little bit...all LEITZ screwmount cameras having this problem, without the IIIg....! this camera has the little pice to stop the film...(see it in the picture from "str" of the German Forum)regards, Jan I have a IIIf with this base equiped with a plunger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
telewatt Posted November 3, 2009 Share #50 Posted November 3, 2009 I have a IIIf with this base equiped with a plunger. That is what I heard about it.....it could be done for the latest cameras... regards, Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted November 4, 2009 Share #51 Posted November 4, 2009 Jan & Luigi,can you, please, check the hood on this pict I reworked ? it seems that there is a wire from 6 o'clock to eight o'clock passing by the vent, may be it is a part of the system he found to keep it on the lens. The 2/50 hood is too small but the 1.4/50 let few clearance around the lens. Me too noticed that "wire" ... but I am still of the idea the hood is not an original Leitz,,, if (and this seems rather sure) the lens is a Summarit 1,5, can be it is indeed a sort of small strip attached (and in the pic - partially detached) to the interior of the hood mount to fit it by pressure on the lens mount... a role similar to the famous "velvet" strip inside the old Leitz caps... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
telewatt Posted November 4, 2009 Share #52 Posted November 4, 2009 Me too noticed that "wire" ... but I am still of the idea the hood is not an original Leitz,,, if (and this seems rather sure) the lens is a Summarit 1,5, can be it is indeed a sort of small strip attached (and in the pic - partially detached) to the interior of the hood mount to fit it by pressure on the lens mount... a role similar to the famous "velvet" strip inside the old Leitz caps... me too!.....in my picture you can see the adaptation is not looking professional..."hand made"......and I can't remember a hood from LEITZ, that would fit to this lens .. regards, Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernmelder Posted November 4, 2009 Share #53 Posted November 4, 2009 "hand made". One of his screwmount Leicas was taped over with black tape and on the back he had applied a sticker from the anti-nuclear power movement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhabedi Posted November 4, 2009 Share #54 Posted November 4, 2009 One of his screwmount Leicas was taped over with black tape and on the back he had applied a sticker from the anti-nuclear power movement. Yeah, seems he liked that kind of stuff. I think in the "Magnum" book from Miller it says somewhere that he preferred to use plastic marmelade lids as lens caps and tied them to the camera using shoelaces... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted November 4, 2009 Share #55 Posted November 4, 2009 me too!.......and I can't remember a hood from LEITZ, that would fit to this lens .. regards, Jan Yes it is the XOONS /12520 it is vented also but it is in rectangular shape. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted November 4, 2009 Share #56 Posted November 4, 2009 Yes it is the XOONS /12520 it is vented also but it is in rectangular shape. Nice pic as always... .... funny, XOOYL is the ONLY Summarit filter which I have complete with box (my XOORU is boxless... ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
telewatt Posted November 4, 2009 Share #57 Posted November 4, 2009 Yes it is the XOONS /12520 it is vented also but it is in rectangular shape. ....yes the rectangular one.......but round one?.. nice picture !... regards, Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlsen Highway Posted November 5, 2009 Share #58 Posted November 5, 2009 After the war he was recorded in an interview as mostly using a Leica IIIC with a Sonnar lense in LTM mount, although he also owned a Contax II. In 1955 he was given an M3 by Leica - model 750,000. After that his most used lens was a collapsable Summicron, although naturally he had a whole battery of lenses for his use. This lens at some stage was painted black just around the rim. By the late 1950's he was taping his M3 black. He seemed to take this seriously, I havnt seen any pictures of him after this with a chrome camera, apart from one shot taken in 1980 after he had retired. He used the M3 in his own words - for the longest time. He was given a black M6 by Leica in 1984, which as shown above he continued to use the collapsable summicron 50mm from 1954, (When he wasn't drawing I suppose) I have seen pix of him at a late stage with Leica CL, Minilux too, but I believe these were Leica promotional gambits. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
telewatt Posted November 5, 2009 Share #59 Posted November 5, 2009 After the war he was recorded in an interview as mostly using a Leica IIIC with a Sonnar lense in LTM mount, although he also owned a Contax II. In 1955 he was given an M3 by Leica - model 750,000. After that his most used lens was a collapsable Summicron, although naturally he had a whole battery of lenses for his use. This lens at some stage was painted black just around the rim. By the late 1950's he was taping his M3 black. He seemed to take this seriously, I havnt seen any pictures of him after this with a chrome camera, apart from one shot taken in 1980 after he had retired. He used the M3 in his own words - for the longest time. He was given a black M6 by Leica in 1984, which as shown above he continued to use the collapsable summicron 50mm from 1954, (When he wasn't drawing I suppose) I have seen pix of him at a late stage with Leica CL, Minilux too, but I believe these were Leica promotional gambits. ..there are some pictures, HCB is working on the street with Minolta CLE and M Leicas at the same time... regards, Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhabedi Posted November 5, 2009 Share #60 Posted November 5, 2009 While we're at the subject of HCB's Leicas: One of them he gave to Luc Delahaye. Delahaye was arrested in some war zone (I think it was the former Yugoslavia) and his camera was taken away from him. When he eventually returned to Paris, Cartier-Bresson - at that time already retired - invited him for dinner and gave him one of his cameras. I can look up the details if someone's interested, but I don't know which Leica he gave away and whether Delahaye is still using it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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