carstenw Posted October 17, 2009 Share #101 Posted October 17, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) In your avatar, you appear to be holding a black camera Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 17, 2009 Posted October 17, 2009 Hi carstenw, Take a look here Petition for demanding Leica a real chrome M9, not painted. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
robofc Posted October 18, 2009 Share #102 Posted October 18, 2009 Both finishes on the M9 are inferior to prior finishes. The grey is cheap imitation of Chrome done for cost reasons. The black paint is not as elegant as the lacquer on the MP. I will purchase an M9 when it is available in chrome with a wide angle finder suitable for the 24mm. Removing the logos would also be appreciated. The MP is the most elegant camera since the M3 and it should be the model for an updated M9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerndReini Posted October 18, 2009 Share #103 Posted October 18, 2009 You guys should start using an M9. It takes beautiful images that are bigger, have less noise, and much better color space (no color artifacts) than the other cameras in any color or finish. My black MP is beautiful, and my chrome M7 with a .58 finder is gorgeous, but they are gorgeous mostly at home in my office since I just got back from an outing with my black cheapo finished M9 from an urban night shoot with shutter speed set to 1/45s and Auto ISO limit set at ISO 1000. Unfortunately, the prettier cameras cannot hang with that. I decided I'd just get the M9 in black, which is a really nice finish, and with the beautiful vulcanite. When the M10 comes out, I'll just get that one in Chrome, but I will definitely complain that Leica didn't make a Titanium one (my personal favorite). Will I wait to buy one until it comes out in the color and finish I want? Am I Ashton Kutcher? So there you have it. A lot of people are excited about the improvements that have been implemented in the M9. Others complain that it doesn't have Live View, ISO 12,600 or that it only comes in two cheaply painted versions (painted as cheaply as any Porsche or Mercedes btw.) It's 2010, embrace something new everybody. I really do hope that they come out with an a la carte Chrome M9, and I hope they charge an extra $2,000 for it, so everyone can decide whether it's really that important. Sorry, I just get fed up with the Leica jewelry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted October 18, 2009 Share #104 Posted October 18, 2009 The grey is cheap imitation of Chrome Now why would you write that when it is so transparently wrong? Leica has a long history of using different finishes, and the good folk at Solms are obviously more than capable of matching colours properly, so if they wanted to imitate chrome, it would not have been as dark. In fact, this is the Anthracite finish from the R9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
guidomo Posted October 18, 2009 Share #105 Posted October 18, 2009 In what way does expressing an opinion on the desirability of a silver-chrome version of the M9 constitute "whining"? (1) People here are not expressing a "desire for...". They are "demanding". (2) What upsets me is that people think Leica owes them a chrome version because "there always has been one" or because "the camera costs USD 7000" and so on. (3) The point I was making is that, judging by other posts here, Leica cannot currently meet demand for the M9 and that the grey version seems particularly scarce. If Leica can sell all they produce, for the price they are asking, that should be good for everyone. After all it means that they have a market and hopefully stay in business to perhaps produce some more chrome colour Ms later... (4) People seem to think Leica needs to be told that a chrome version is needed. What I was trying to say earlier was, that Leica is quite aware of their tradition and if there is not now a chrome version they will have made a conscious choice not to release one at this stage. They know many folks like chrome, yet they are not selling a chrome M9. No petition will change that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtZ Posted October 18, 2009 Author Share #106 Posted October 18, 2009 (1) People here are not expressing a "desire for...". They are "demanding". (2) What upsets me is that people think Leica owes them a chrome version because "there always has been one" or because "the camera costs USD 7000" and so on. (3) The point I was making is that, judging by other posts here, Leica cannot currently meet demand for the M9 and that the grey version seems particularly scarce. If Leica can sell all they produce, for the price they are asking, that should be good for everyone. After all it means that they have a market and hopefully stay in business to perhaps produce some more chrome colour Ms later... (4) People seem to think Leica needs to be told that a chrome version is needed. What I was trying to say earlier was, that Leica is quite aware of their tradition and if there is not now a chrome version they will have made a conscious choice not to release one at this stage. They know many folks like chrome, yet they are not selling a chrome M9. No petition will change that. AMEN Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roydonian Posted October 18, 2009 Share #107 Posted October 18, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) (1) People here are not expressing a "desire for...". They are "demanding". The word ‘demand’ made its appearance in the title of this thread – a title created by a resident of France for whom English may not be his native language. ‘Demand’ may be his imperfect translation into English of the French word, which (if my memory of French lessons of half a century ago is correct) normally means ‘ask’ or ‘request’. Many of those who replied to this thread used the word ‘prefer’. No sign of ‘whining’ – just expressions of a personal preference that might one day influence the decision on whether or not that individual will buy an M9. (2) What upsets me is that people think Leica owes them a chrome version because "there always has been one" or because "the camera costs USD 7000" and so on. Personally speaking, the only thing I think Leica owes me is to make my M8.2 work correctly with my recently-acquired 35mm f1.4 Summilux ASPH – a fascinating problem which it is not going to be easy to solve... Luckily, I did not do a part-exchange with my earlier version of the lens, which was on the camera for much of a seven-day trip to Venice last week. (3) The point I was making is that, judging by other posts here, Leica cannot currently meet demand for the M9 and that the grey version seems particularly scarce. If Leica can sell all they produce, for the price they are asking, that should be good for everyone. After all it means that they have a market and hopefully stay in business to perhaps produce some more chrome colour Ms later... I completely agree with that. Hopefully, the M9 will become the M6 for the digital age, enjoy a long production run, and become available in different finishes or even in ‘a la carte’ versions. (4) People seem to think Leica needs to be told that a chrome version is needed. What I was trying to say earlier was, that Leica is quite aware of their tradition and if there is not now a chrome version they will have made a conscious choice not to release one at this stage. They know many folks like chrome, yet they are not selling a chrome M9. No petition will change that. I’m not sure that today’s company pays much attention to its tradition, other than as something to be invoked in publicity brochures. As one piece of evidence, I’d cite the disappearance of the classic ‘Leica’ script engraving from the top plate. But they did finally recognise the appeal of that feature for some (older?) users when it was offered under the MP ‘a la carte’ programme. Leica has indeed made the decision not to release a silver-chrome M9, at least for the moment. What their motive was we have no way of knowing. But the feedback they are getting at Leica events and from threads such as this one will help them judge the potential market for the more traditional finish. In your avatar, you appear to be holding a black camera That’s true, but I didn't buy it! - I only held it for the few seconds the late Sal Dimarco needed to take that picture. (But before any of my photographic friends starts to play devil’s advocate, I will admit to having used a CL professionally for some years until it was replaced by a Digilux 2.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMB Posted October 18, 2009 Share #108 Posted October 18, 2009 Sorry, I just get fed up with the Leica jewelry. +1 I also wonder how many of those who are dismissing the gray version ever saw one for real. I saw it on 9/10 in London -- sadly it was a demo version -- and nor are impatiently waiting for the one I ordered to arrive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerndReini Posted October 19, 2009 Share #109 Posted October 19, 2009 As I mentioned above (and hopefully indicated in the pictures), the gray is a knockout! The black one just felt right for me, and also was available sooner, but the gray is beautiful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtZ Posted October 19, 2009 Author Share #110 Posted October 19, 2009 I really do hope that they come out with an a la carte Chrome M9, and I hope they charge an extra $2,000 for it, so everyone can decide whether it's really that important. Sorry, I just get fed up with the Leica jewelry. As I mentioned above (and hopefully indicated in the pictures), the gray is a knockout! The black one just felt right for me, and also was available sooner, but the gray is beautiful. Well, that's what I call jewelry... not a solid, durable, classical chrome finish. If you want ot pay $2,000 extra for a special gray, white, khaki, pink or orange M9 special edition, it's up to you. I simply prefer the classical chrome version Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craftsman Posted October 19, 2009 Share #111 Posted October 19, 2009 QUOTE:I really do hope that they come out with an a la carte Chrome M9, and I hope they charge an extra $2,000 for it, so everyone can decide whether it's really that important. Sorry, I just get fed up with the Leica jewelry. What makes Chrome "Leica Jewelry"? Sounds like sour grapes to me.I think if Leica offers a Chrome M9, a lot of people that bought the Grey paint are going to feel cheated, because the Chrome is a classic Leica finish. Maybe you'll be one of the them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephan_w Posted October 19, 2009 Share #112 Posted October 19, 2009 Both finishes on the M9 are inferior to prior finishes. The grey is cheap imitation of Chrome done for cost reasons. The black paint is not as elegant as the lacquer on the MP. I second that, I want also either a "true" chrome version or a black paint version !!!!!!! I cannot unsderstand that a camera that costs this price is not made without compromise to quality and finish! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlancasterd Posted October 20, 2009 Share #113 Posted October 20, 2009 I second that, I want also either a "true" chrome version or a black paint version !!!!!!! I cannot unsderstand that a camera that costs this price is not made without compromise to quality and finish! There already is a black paint version, and that finish appears to be quite durable in contrast to reports we have seen of scratches and thumb/finger marks appearing on the grey finish. I haven't made a direct comparison of the glossiness of my M9 with that of the paint on an MP, but I wouldn't want mine to be any glossier than it is already - it's certainly a good match for the finish on both my Leica 35mm Summarit and Voigtlander 75mm lenses, not to mention my 'Thumbs Up', and it certainly looks better than the black anodised finish on an M6 I had back in the '90s, which developed scuffed edges very rapidly. I have a secondhand 21mm f2.8 Asph on order and expect my M9 to match that too. Black paint is a traditional finish for expensive cameras - I've had an RB67, a Hasselblad 2000FC a Bronica ETRS, and a couple of 1980s Contaxes (amongst many other cameras) all of which had this finish, and which survived non-too-careful treatment without much in the way of cosmetic damage. Silver chrome looks nice as a contrast, but it scratches almost as easily as black paint if you aren't careful - look at almost any well-used chrome M2 or M3 if you want to see evidence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicaiste Posted October 20, 2009 Share #114 Posted October 20, 2009 Both finishes on the M9 are inferior to prior finishes. The grey is cheap imitation of Chrome done for cost reasons. The black paint is not as elegant as the lacquer on the MP. I have both the black painted MP and M9. The M9 is more faithful to the older black paint M, like the M3, M2, M4. The MP is very nice but to shiny IMO, and any scratch is more obvious. And it scratch more easily. Much more easily. The recent black paint lenses are also shinier than the M9. Lenses like the BP 35/2 Asph Millennium and 50/2 Classic (and their lens hoods), 50/1,4 Millennium, 50/1,4 Asph LHSA and 90/2 Asph. The black chrome lenses are a closer match now. Lucien Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
!Nomad64 Posted October 20, 2009 Share #115 Posted October 20, 2009 Both finishes on the M9 are inferior to prior finishes. The grey is cheap imitation of Chrome done for cost reasons. The black paint is not as elegant as the lacquer on the MP. I will purchase an M9 when it is available in chrome with a wide angle finder suitable for the 24mm. Removing the logos would also be appreciated. The MP is the most elegant camera since the M3 and it should be the model for an updated M9. I couldn't agree more! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicaiste Posted October 20, 2009 Share #116 Posted October 20, 2009 Removing the logos would also be appreciated. The MP is the most elegant camera since the M3 and it should be the model for an updated M9. I only agree on this part. Lucien Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
guidomo Posted October 20, 2009 Share #117 Posted October 20, 2009 People need to appreciate that Leica want to keep some improvements up their sleeve for future editions, be it the M10 or (more likely) some special editions. The M9 is attractive enough as it is now, so from a business perspective Leica are doing the right thing, IMHO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephan_w Posted October 20, 2009 Share #118 Posted October 20, 2009 Leica has well done in listening close to the wishes of the customers in the past, and the result is the M9 we have today. Nobody talked about the finish of the camera, but for those who use a M Leica as a "system", especially with older chrome lenses, the grey IKEA-like version is just not an option. Also, I don't care if other are happy with what they got, but I feel that others as well are not satisfied with the actuall finish of the M9. And the chrome, may it be black or silver, may it be on the camera or on the lens, IS a better and more durable finish than paint or anodized aluminium. Look at older black lenses, look at older chrome lenses, and you understand what I mean. It is true, there will always be something that you can make cheaper in this world, and no-one cares much if on the other hand other factors as a FF sensor blindens us. But finally, thinking this to the end, a Canon or Nikon compact camera will do it as well. And that's not what we want, I think. We want the best without compromise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnastovall Posted October 20, 2009 Share #119 Posted October 20, 2009 I could care less about what color it is. Leica could make it the rainbow like the Pentax Kx for all I care. What I want is Leica quality. I've yet to ever see the color of a camera affect the image quality of my work. I'm amazed that such a small pea under the mattresses could set off such a storm of whines. Please let this keep you all from ordering M9's for a while so I'll get mine sooner and be enjoying full frame while others post here and whine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobh Posted October 20, 2009 Share #120 Posted October 20, 2009 Count me as a supporter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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