jaapv Posted December 5, 2014 Share #621 Posted December 5, 2014 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) No outburst at all.Just the simple observation that international forum members have been adding their thank yous to the German thread. http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/forum-zur-leica-m9/355714-offener-brief-die-leica-camera-ag.html This procedure, collecting all signatures in one place, seems to work. That's all. Why change it now? If you want, you could provide a seperate thread here with just the 2 language versions that directs folks to the German signature thread. It cannot be that difficult to recognize a double thanks. Anyway: In order to save unnecessary work later, please sign one open letter only. If you thanked twice already, please be so kind as to remove one of them. Edited December 5, 2014 by jaapv Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted December 5, 2014 Posted December 5, 2014 Hi jaapv, Take a look here Strange white spots on M9 sensor?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
k-hawinkler Posted December 5, 2014 Share #622 Posted December 5, 2014 Read it in web view and signed it, thanks. Now I am afraid to use my Monochrom in case it encounters any humidity having been just had the sensor replaced 2 months ago. You may as well get as many pictures out of it as you can while it's working correctly. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k_g_wolf ✝ Posted December 5, 2014 Share #623 Posted December 5, 2014 >> Architect You should NOT be afraid to use your MONOCHROM as long as it has not developed the sensor malaise we are talking about. LEICA is working on a solid technical solution - I hope for them - and in addition to hat, there is a successor to the MONOCHROM in the company´s pipeline. Should your sample develop the sensor desease in future it will get a proper spare or it is updated for free with a next generation MONOCHROM - at least that´s what not only the legal experts on this side of the table are working at ... Until then: keep USING IT !! Regards GEORG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted December 5, 2014 Share #624 Posted December 5, 2014 (edited) An elegant and fair letter, which I have signed. Why should I be expected to "thank" some post on a German language thread? Thanks=Pop. I posted this before the link to the English translation was noted. Edited December 5, 2014 by algrove Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward Louis Marit Posted December 5, 2014 Share #625 Posted December 5, 2014 >> Architect You should NOT be afraid to use your MONOCHROM as long as it has not developed the sensor malaise we are talking about. LEICA is working on a solid technical solution - I hope for them - and in addition to hat, there is a successor to the MONOCHROM in the company´s pipeline. Should your sample develop the sensor desease in future it will get a proper spare or it is updated for free with a next generation MONOCHROM - at least that´s what not only the legal experts on this side of the table are working at ... Until then: keep USING IT !! Regards GEORG Cheers Georg I was only being semi serious. I am continuing to use it, after all I need to test out all of those nice filters I bought at Leica store Fasenstrasse In Berlin! Regards 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazwell Posted December 5, 2014 Share #626 Posted December 5, 2014 My sympathies to those of you who are dealing with these sensor problems. I’ve been lucky so far: my 18-month-old MM seems to be okay (unless those few spots I see on the sensor are something more nefarious than dust). However, I must admit that I now feel like I am sort of “stuck with” the camera, even though I love it. Essentially its resale value has suddenly plummeted to zero, because I wouldn’t feel right about selling it to anyone, knowing that it might be susceptible to the delamination problem and that Leica’s proposed remedies are utterly inadequate. It’s interesting that Leica doesn’t seem to have this same concern about continuing to sell new MMs and M-Es. I’m not sure how they can justify that to themselves, or to their lawyers. I had also been saving for an M-E because I prefer the colors to those from the M240, but now there is no way I would risk buying another sensor-compromised Leica. Instead, for the times when I need color, I will rely on my trusty M8, which has proven to be strangely reliable, and which incidentally has only lost about $100 of its value in the two years I have owned it. Sounds like the ideal digital Leica to me! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted December 5, 2014 Share #627 Posted December 5, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) What a depressing thread. Do I really have to sell my trusty old M9 (an early batch silver one) and the M240 which sits in the closet and which I wanted to sell anyway, thin out the lens line, collect the cash, reactivate my MP and use the funds from the digital stuff for film for the foreseeable future? Nah, my next trip is coming up and the M9 is already booked on it. It will be used as long as it lasts. Once it breaks, decisions will be made. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDI Posted December 5, 2014 Share #628 Posted December 5, 2014 See, that's where the problems start... What if the M9 strikes its flag while on the trip? That would be the equivalent of the lab accidently "misplacing" your rolls of film in the old days. It's you who's being left out in the cold then. The worst pictures are the ones not taken at all or rendered unusable by whatever fault. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted December 5, 2014 Share #629 Posted December 5, 2014 See, that's where the problems start... What if the M9 strikes its flag while on the trip? That would be the equivalent of the lab accidently "misplacing" your rolls of film in the old days. It's you who's being left out in the cold then. The worst pictures are the ones not taken at all or rendered unusable by whatever fault. Never leave the house without the Ricoh GR in the pocket;). If the M9 collapses, the GR covers plenty of territory. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M9reno Posted December 5, 2014 Share #630 Posted December 5, 2014 (edited) Can you share with us the evidence of your de-lamination please? Here is more of mine, a spot on a different part of the sensor than that posted previously. It is also interesting to see how the same spot develops. Here it is on April 17, May 25, and Dec 1, 2014. My camera was on extended warranty until June 2014, so I expect this will be treated as an in-warranty case, since the problem surfaces there. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited December 5, 2014 by M9reno 8 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/216349-strange-white-spots-on-m9-sensor/?do=findComment&comment=2721328'>More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 5, 2014 Share #631 Posted December 5, 2014 (edited) See, that's where the problems start... What if the M9 strikes its flag while on the trip? That would be the equivalent of the lab accidently "misplacing" your rolls of film in the old days. It's you who's being left out in the cold then. The worst pictures are the ones not taken at all or rendered unusable by whatever fault.Actually, if you're going on a trip of only several weeks there should be no problem if you've checked the condition of your sensor carefully before leaving. These de-lamination spots start quite small and take time to grow. If they start on the trip they are likely to be quite small and can easily be dealt with using the spot tools in Lightroom. It's only when they get larger after several months that the camera becomes unusable. Edited December 5, 2014 by not_a_hero Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M9reno Posted December 5, 2014 Share #632 Posted December 5, 2014 Unless I had been pixel-peeping, I would not have noticed anything wrong in April or May. The problem becomes visible in retrospect, when it has had time to develop. I assume this is or will be the case with many owners who do not yet see their sensors affected. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 5, 2014 Share #633 Posted December 5, 2014 See, that's where the problems start... What if the M9 strikes its flag while on the trip? That would be the equivalent of the lab accidently "misplacing" your rolls of film in the old days. It's you who's being left out in the cold then. The worst pictures are the ones not taken at all or rendered unusable by whatever fault. Rendered unusable? Very unlikely, given an absolute minimum of PP skills... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted December 5, 2014 Share #634 Posted December 5, 2014 Could you please clarify this incomprehensible outburst? Are you referring to the entire thread or just one post:D? Seriously though, I'm amazed at the wining and whinging going on in this thread. Yes any de-lamination problems should be dealt with and whether Leica's current 'offer' is acceptable or not depends on the individual if and when it happens and how old/much use the camera has been put to. But the apparent assumption by many that this is an inevitable problem which Leica must sort out for everyone within short timescales and make an absolute statement about is just absurd. I find it quite depressing that there is so much discontent amongst so many. Personally I will stick to taking photos and talk to Leica about the problem IF & WHEN it happens. So far my M9 has operated well for 3 years and taken a lot of images. I'm starting to wonder if its worth the effort to post on this forum. There are some very knowledgeable and helpful members but I'm getting fed up of the whining and discontent:mad:. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adonnan Posted December 5, 2014 Share #635 Posted December 5, 2014 Could someone link to the offer or update the first page? Lots of pages, little time to read every reply in here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted December 5, 2014 Share #636 Posted December 5, 2014 It is well worth reading through the thread http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m9-forum/307974-strange-white-spots-m9-sensor-4.html#post2825494 THIS is why Leica must put something on their website... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted December 5, 2014 Share #637 Posted December 5, 2014 THIS is why Leica must put something on their website... So they can add it to their info about cracked sensors, coffee stain lcds and other problems discussed on this forum? Yes they should, IF that is that the problem is endemic and inevitable, but if it isn't it should be, and presumably will be, dealt with on a case by case basis (to determine for example whether a sensor has been wet cleaned and if so what was used). What's the problem with this? I would also have thought that the post you linked to could be taken as indicating a substantially long term commitment to support for the M9.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted December 5, 2014 Share #638 Posted December 5, 2014 The point I was making is that it shouldn't be up to us, on the forum, to keep going back and finding the statement buried deep in a thread. Maybe if people aren't prepared to look for it themselves, even though they are reading a discussion about it, then they are not that bothered about the issue. But, seeing as JJ went to the trouble to post on this thread, with Leica's proposal to deal with the issue, why not put a statement where customers can find it easily? That said, Leica inevitably want to avoid a whole rush of cameras being returned. People who haven't read this thread will only approach them with the problem when they find it out for themselves, rather than when it is pointed out to them. Given that most Leica M9/MM/M-E owners will not have read this thread, this is a way of managing the rush back to Wetzlar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted December 5, 2014 Share #639 Posted December 5, 2014 Seriously though, I'm amazed at the wining and whinging going on in this thread. I was wondering how long it would take for the 'stop whinging' crowd to crash the thread. Took a surprisingly long time - I guess because of the actual seriousness of the issue. Reminds me of this tweet: 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted December 5, 2014 Share #640 Posted December 5, 2014 The point I was making is that it shouldn't be up to us, on the forum, to keep going back and finding the statement buried deep in a thread. Perhaps this is helpful? 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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