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M4-2 marked Wetzlar as well as Canada


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Ever since the Leica II, Leica cameras had been marked

--"Ernst Leitz--

--Wetzlar"--.

Now in the late 1970's a scheme was put forward of amalgamating the cities and towns along River Lahn, including Wetzlar and Giessen, forming a unit called the Lahnstadt.

 

Would people buy a Leica marked 'Ernst Leitz Lahnstadt'? Would they maybe think it a fake? So the company "Ernst Leitz" took action to protect the holy words, and did actually change its name to "Ernst Leitz Wetzlar". This of course made "Wetzlar" an integral and mandatory part of the company name, not just an address. Just as you could not label goods just "Ernst" before, you could not from now on label them just "Ernst Leitz".

 

Therefore, unavoidably, a Canada-produced M or any other such item now had to be labeled

-- "Ernst Leitz Wetzlar--

--Canada"--

because Ernst Leitz Canada was now a division, not of Ernst Leitz, but of Ernst Leitz Wetzlar. Are you with me? It's actually completely logical -- at least if you are a specialized brand name lawyer.

 

The question whether something is sensible or reasonable or not, does of course never enter the minds of such people. And then, after all, the plan was actually rescinded! -- This essay is of course not directly pertinent to the question asked, but it pops up again and again and I just thought ... ouch, don't kick me!

 

The old man from the Age of Reason (1950's?)

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Luigi, I think only the first 100 1468001 to 1468100 had the red badge (dot) on front. This s/no (1468634) was assigned for R3, the normal M4-2 run started again at 1480001. So it is an "in-between" production. I mention this just for interest; another curiosity!

 

Regards,

John

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Uh... Lager displays 1468122 - Leitz Wetzlar "Made by Leitz Canada" (in the back) and 1468862 - Leitz Wetzlar "Made in Canada" (on top)... but I remember to have red, in the forum, that at that times the Ontario factory set up "new manufacturing management policies" which brought to a certain confusion in numbering... :)... M4-2 is one of the most intriguing in this sense (not to speak of the "chrome" version... ;))

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Chrome version... I have one, and whit the red dot in the front.

Any info for this cámera??

 

OFFICIALLY, it never existed... ;)... the product code for M4-2 is for the black; seems that some were chromed to special request, and then there have been a certain number of chrome parts that left someway the factory and were used to "modify" existing bodies, and, seems, parts that were chromed outside... months ago there has been a discussion about, in the forum. Anyway, sometimes they appear around, and there is people who pay a premium for them.

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Yes Luigi, "...and there is people who pay a premium for them". A lot of fake turn around everyway, many "bricolage M4-2" with spare parts of M4 Chrome, still sell from most important shops like "100% original" with high premium expensive cost. Ten years ago I saw an M4-2 sold as the last one of serial number batch, a silver chrome example.

A very expensive great fake one's!

 

 

Cheers

Kind regards

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Searching the threads I found this about the M4-2. I ordered mine at Photokina Sep 13th 1976 and received him at Jun 1 1977. Serial number 1468154. On top Leitz Wetzlar and Made in Canada. No engravings on the back. After several months the viewfinder got hazy. Never really felt like my M4.

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Peter

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Peter, did you have the finder cleaned? Apparently in the first 50 or maybe 100 or so some problems occured, but later the M4-2 has become a reliable camera. I bought mine a few years ago, it's one from 1977. Recently Will van Manen gave it a CLA and it works very nicely, with a nice soft shutter release and the cleaned finder is great again.

Lex

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Peter, did you have the finder cleaned? Apparently in the first 50 or maybe 100 or so some problems occured, but later the M4-2 has become a reliable camera. I bought mine a few years ago, it's one from 1977. Recently Will van Manen gave it a CLA and it works very nicely, with a nice soft shutter release and the cleaned finder is great again.

Lex

One finder from 1979 is not also unclear.

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One finder from 1979 is not also unclear.

 

JC, you mean yours from 1979 has always had a good and clear finder? Actually all of my M's have a great and clear finder. Just recently my M4-P needed to be cleaned since the front window of the finder was moving and allowed dust to get inside. Now it looks good again as well.

Lex

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Peter, did you have the finder cleaned? Apparently in the first 50 or maybe 100 or so some problems occured, but later the M4-2 has become a reliable camera. I bought mine a few years ago, it's one from 1977. Recently Will van Manen gave it a CLA and it works very nicely, with a nice soft shutter release and the cleaned finder is great again.

Lex

Thanks Lex. Good opportunity for checking shutter as well. Slow speeds are too fast. Greetings.

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I own a Leica m4-2 with the engraving "Made In Canada" on the top with the number 1469367. This number is assigned to an R3 Olive between
 1977-1978. If this anomaly is known, what about the number of M4-2 affected by it?

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