NZDavid Posted January 3, 2010 Author Share #41 Â Posted January 3, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) All seem so alike. X1 is the only one with good old shutter and aperture dials. It's not so much "a fear of buttons" as a preference for elegant simplicity. I also find a direct dial faster to use -- one thing to look at, not three (button, LCD, cursor arrow). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jhs1963 Posted January 3, 2010 Share #42 Â Posted January 3, 2010 I never believed i would feel so exited about anything again. Looking at all your photos has really inspired me. Its only since my life has slowed down that i can see what i would like to do, as a hobby. I have found myself looking at my surroundings in a different light these past few weeks and seen what would be ideal targets for when i finally get a camera. I have travelled far and wide and seen some amazing sites from Chile to China, Australia and never taken a picture and worst of all i have 4 kids who are all grown up now and never took photos of them. I am bursting at the seams and just cannot wait to get out and click. We have steam trains in Darlington! My imagination grows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted January 3, 2010 Share #43 Â Posted January 3, 2010 All seem so alike. X1 is the only one with good old shutter and aperture dials. It's not so much "a fear of buttons" as a preference for elegant simplicity. I also find a direct dial faster to use -- one thing to look at, not three (button, LCD, cursor arrow). Â Yes... but what I keep grappling with is this ... are these dials worth $1000-$1300 to me? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted January 3, 2010 Author Share #44 Â Posted January 3, 2010 Yes... but what I keep grappling with is this ... are these dials worth $1000-$1300 to me? Â Try it and see. It's nearly here. But you already have an M8, so you're not missing out. The film Ms are, of course, already perfect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglasco Posted January 3, 2010 Share #45 Â Posted January 3, 2010 I think it will be a cool camera. Steve Huffs review will be out soon, he has taken apprx 1,500 photos with the X1 so I hope to see some nice photos taken with the camera. Leica Camera And Lens Reviews | STEVE HUFF PHOTOS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted January 3, 2010 Share #46 Â Posted January 3, 2010 Try it and see. It's nearly here. But you already have an M8, so you're not missing out. The film Ms are, of course, already perfect. Â Yes, I will... when I get a chance. If not, I'll just buy a used Olympus E-P1 as my "go-anywhere" camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuxBob Posted January 13, 2010 Share #47 Â Posted January 13, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Add me in for enthusiasm. I learnt in the days of eye level cameras without rangefinder e.g. Retinettes and a Zeiss Werra 1. You leant everything from just handling such a camera. My most comfortable camera ever was my R8. It became part of me. Then I went digital and that all came together eventually with my D700 - I'd prefer more direct analog control but it passes. I got a G10 as a carry around all purpose but I could not get on with it and so I tried a Digilux 2 - Nirvana. I think they are spot on with the X1 (viewfinder excepted) but the reviewers don't seem to get it. The essence is quality plus direct control. Is this an age thing? In a different context I discussed this recently with a friend and we talked about the great benefits of email as against writing and sending a letter. I love email - one of the best things ever for keeping in touch with friends everywhere but I love picking up a fountain pen, some decent paper and letting my thoughts flow. It is tactile as well as emotional and it all adds to the result both in input and output. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogenis Posted January 14, 2010 Share #48 Â Posted January 14, 2010 To me I am convinced of the superior IQ and simplicity of use with the X1, when compared to any other compact out there, including the u3/4. However putting price aside (besides, superior IQ and better noise handling compensate for price) there is a matter also of personal joy when one uses these tools for photographing. When you have to wait for the autofocus mechanism to lock, this is a drawback, and certainly something you need to consider when about to pay the most expensive compact out there. You will feel just frustration when trying to capture a photo, you miss it because the camera is not yet ready to shoot. And it is double the frustration when you have another compact (Panasonic GF1) at half the price and with interchangeable lenses, but feels like 5x faster. Â I would like to hear from real world usage from people that try to shoot, because response times in a camera is also a factor of separating the serious tools from the plastic phone cameras. Â Edit: I took some time and reviewed Huff's videos with what it is that he has, a preproduction camera ? It really look bad only when it focus in very dim light and that little orange focus lamp lights. 3-4 s of gasping to focus is unacceptable. On the other hand shooting out in light it's real snappy. Let's just hope that Solms is aplying some magic to the production models and will improve this a tad, because it really looks like THE solution against ALL compacts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted January 14, 2010 Share #49 Â Posted January 14, 2010 I thought steve had a cam with version 1 of the software - which may not be preproduction? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogenis Posted January 14, 2010 Share #50 Â Posted January 14, 2010 Well, I cannot accept that Leica can rest on the fact that one can count Mississippis while waiting for the autofocus mechanism for a solution. But we will eventually see... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted January 14, 2010 Share #51 Â Posted January 14, 2010 Well, I cannot accept that Leica can rest on the fact that one can count Mississippis while waiting for the autofocus mechanism for a solution. But we will eventually see... Â Well, that only occurs in the dark though... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted January 14, 2010 Share #52 Â Posted January 14, 2010 Well, that only occurs in the dark though... Â is that with an af assist light? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted January 14, 2010 Share #53 Â Posted January 14, 2010 is that with an af assist light? Â Yep... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted January 14, 2010 Share #54 Â Posted January 14, 2010 yah that's scary - the more i think it over and the more I use the gf-1 the harder time I have justifying the expense of the x1. Haven't canceled yet though - maybe things will be MUCH more rosy when it actually ships - you know, 2011 or so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpmac55 Posted January 14, 2010 Share #55 Â Posted January 14, 2010 yah that's scary - the more i think it over and the more I use the gf-1 the harder time I have justifying the expense of the x1. Haven't canceled yet though - maybe things will be MUCH more rosy when it actually ships - you know, 2011 or so. Â Â Yea, 2011 may be best case. I have an X1 on order but should probably plan on a price increase before it is available. Â I'd have a hard time pulling the trigger on the X1 if the GF-1 offers enjoyment. I already have a camera that switches lenses and will not buy another. I'd soar past the $2k mark if I did. Otherwise, I'd have teed up your camera or one of the Olympus 4/3's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted January 15, 2010 Share #56 Â Posted January 15, 2010 To me I am convinced of the superior IQ and simplicity of use with the X1 Â Why? Because of the price and the name? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted January 15, 2010 Share #57 Â Posted January 15, 2010 No Rob being a " turn on point and shoot camera" makes it easy to use .............point it at anything and shoot, what part don't they understand or or or ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted January 15, 2010 Share #58 Â Posted January 15, 2010 I might have to head down to harvey norman and have a look at one, then. When were they released? September or something wasnt it. They might be on special by now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted January 15, 2010 Share #59  Posted January 15, 2010 I agree... I wish more companies would adopt a minimalist approach. However, outside of Leica world... I think people do like these things. I guess these other companies are going for more of a mainstream approach to camera making.  Yah, a lot of picture takers who know nothing about anything (not even aspiring to be better) enjoy being able to do SOMETHING with the cam.. reminds me of when everyone learned the blink tag in html.  Yes... but what I keep grappling with is this ... are these dials worth $1000-$1300 to me?  I tackle that too, regularly  finally - I made a photo I actually like and am proud of - and I did it with the GF-1 - that holds some value for me, but I need to shoot more with it. The lightroom dl does add value - and bear this in mind... I knew nothing about photog when I started recently - I am a technologist, so I read... a LOT. I absorb... a LOT... and having never heard of Leica I started seeing these amazing photos that had something special about them - repeatedly.. and repeatedly I saw they were made with Leica.  So people ask - does Leica have something special, I would definitely have to say yes. That doesn't mean that every joe with a Leica makes great pics, but the photographers I saw starting at my beginning point shot unique with the Leica brand. So it's not the red dot for me (well maybe the dl4 was) but I do believe that Leica optics have something over the competition. The questions are, can their late foray and bug laden bodies be worked past for that same glow and can I get a lens for whatever body I have that offers that? Perhaps, perhaps not. The more I learn, the more I wonder if the X1 is the cam for me. In a perfect world I'd just buy an M9 and whatever lenses I wanted - but that's not realistic at my novice level (it would be silly), so for now I hold onto the belief (after steve huffs photos) that the X1 could offer me a chance, at a quarter of the price (at least) to have that same *something* when and if I learn to use it correctly.  I didn't learn to drive in an M3, but after years I am on my second... I would have appreciated it back when I started, but the simplicity of an automatic 4 cylinder was a necessary step -- that's similar to the appeal of the x1 - get quality, simplicity, and learn the right way.  I certainly don't consider the x1 to be a turn on and shoot camera - afaik it doesn't correct you when you're wrong, autofocus is slow, and you still have to understand the fundamentals of photography to do anything decent with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogenis Posted January 15, 2010 Share #60 Â Posted January 15, 2010 Why? Because of the price and the name? Â Well, brand names play a big role don't they? IQ is great and I am convinced because Sean say so and now Steve. And shows us samples. Obviously you can't compare them with an M8: where an M8 can go, an X1 can only dream, but that doesn't mean the X1 isn't gonna be a delightful camera, they just have to resolve that thing with autofocus lag. Â X1 is a very important product: it packs the simplicity and compactness of an M8 but with autofocus and without exchangeable lenses. However as you all know, the M8 is what it is because it is also fast. In that respect, it seems that GF1 is better. They should resolve that issue... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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