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siulonbow

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Hi all,

 

I have borrowed a M8 from my uncle, and I am not very impressed with the pictures that I have taken. I have seen a lot of great photos on this forum. Can you please take a look at my pictures and let me know what did I do wrong? I am wearing a black t-shirt, but turns out to be purple. Is it the setting that I did wrong?

 

Lens used:

28mm 2.8f Leitz

 

pic info.

Shutter speed : .18s

ISO : 640

 

Picture setting:

ISO : Auto ISO

EV : -1/3

White balance : Auto

Compression : DNG

 

 

Menu setting is as follow:

lens Detection : On + UV/IR

Auto ISO Setup : 1/30 / 640

Sharpening : standard

Color Saturation : Standard

Contrast : Standard

Monitor Brightness : standard

Histogram : RGB with clipping

Auto Slow Sync : Off (1/250)

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You need to use a UV.IR cut filter and the issue will disappear. Either a Leica filter or a B+W 486 filter will do.

 

At 28mm you really need to have the lens coded if it hasn't been already, and set the camera to recognise that a coded lens and a UV/IR cut filter is being used.

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B+W are a maker of filters. Their 486 filter is the equivalent to Leica UV/IR cut filter.

 

The lens coding consists of 6 milled pits on the rear of the lens. Each pit is painted either black or white, and each lens model has it's own combination of black and white pits. This allows the M8 to identify the lens that's mounted. Leica will take an uncoded lens and code it for you - at a cost of course.

 

If you use a filter on an uncoded 28mm lens the result is likely to be a colour cast towards the edges of the frame. With a coded lens the camera knows how to correct this cast and give a neutral image. The wider the lens the stronger the colour cast, hence the need for the camera to know what lens is mounted in order to give a neutral image.

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BW is a company that manufactures filters

 

Schneider Optics

 

These filters absorb Infra Red light, and you need them on the front of lenses (35mm and less I think) to avoid the situation you encountered in your shot. If you buy a new M8 from Leica they throw in 2 of their IR filters.

 

You need to make sure that any filters you get are the correct size for your lenses. Then turn on the option yu saw on the menu that tells the camera you have a IR filter in place

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B+W is the filter manufacturers name. Leica, B+W and other manufacturers all make UV/IR-cut filters. The B+W code for this filter is 486.

 

A normal UV or skylight filter won't block the IR light that is causing the colour changes.

 

As for coding, this refers to the 6-bit code markings on the lens mount that inform the camera about which lens is mounted. They look similar to a 'bar code'.

 

If you have this coding on your lens, then, with the camera set to detect lenses, it will automatically make adjustments to the photographs to suit that particular lens. If the lens is not coded, then the camera can't do this.

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I don't really know what he has been using for his camera. He showed me 40+ Leica lenses, and I remember the were able to detect one of his 16-18-22mm lenses. I guess he might have coding for that lens. However, for the one that I have borrowed, I don't think they have coding because I was not able to detect the lens. Please explain how to find out where to look for the coding. Thanks

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Steve has already provided that information:

 

The lens coding consists of 6 milled pits on the rear of the lens. Each pit is painted either black or white, and each lens model has it's own combination of black and white pits. This allows the M8 to identify the lens that's mounted.

 

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Bill

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Thanks Bill. I read what Steve has wrote but don't exactly know how to find the pits. I wondered if I can use the camera lens detection menu to see if I have the coding?

 

The 6 bit coding can be seen on the back of the lens as per fig 1.11 in the below picture. These codes are read by the sensor shown as fig 1.10 on the body mount.

 

Hope this helps. :)

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The lens coding tells the camera how to compensate for a color shift towards cyan in the corners of the frame, which occurs mostly with wide-angle lenses when you use the UV/IR cut filters. The wider the lens, the more cyan shift. It is necessary for lenses 28mm and wider (shorter). For 35mm, it is nice to have, but not absolutely necessary, as the shift isn't always noticeable. For 50mm and longer lenses, it really isn't necessary.

 

The lens coding and the UV/IR cut filters are two separate things.

 

Many of us haven't bothered to code our lenses of 50mm and longer, and take perfectly good color pictures. But without the UV/IR cut filters, you will get black clothing turning purple, and green foliage in sunlight color-shifting towards yellow. You absolutely need the filters to get accurate color with the M8 under all conditions.

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I wanted to ask :D

 

This may be an even sillier question, but has your uncle been using the camera and lenses without filtration or coding?

 

Regards,

 

Bill

If he has, maybe it never showed up. That's entirely possible under many circumstances, which is why the problem presumably wasn't picked up during the beta testing (unless the reader is a conspiracy theorist of course, but we don't want that can of worms picked over again, purlease!)

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