BerndReini Posted September 30, 2009 Author Share #41 Posted September 30, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) My M8 was fantastic. My last exhibition, which some users on this forum saw in person, was printed at 24"x16" and the prints were beautiful. I could have printed bigger with some loss of quality. The M9 will deliver the same quality at 36"x24". This is a significant improvement for me and well worth the money. When you don't print that big, but say only 9x6, any flaws such as noise etc. will be magnified less with the M9 files than with the M8. This whole 100% screen view on the internet thing unfortunately does not show much of anything, but printing the same image from both cameras at say even 13x19, given that you adjust for the different lens coverage by either going closer with the M9 or using a longer lens, will show the difference. I only had the camera for two days and the results were so obvious to me that I did not feel the need to waste the limited time with this side by side comparison. Now of course, I wish I had done it and I will as soon as I get my M9. Please do a test and see for yourself. There are some good people out there that trust my judgment and other good people that don't. That's just the way it is. I think what may not come across here is that I LOOOVED MY M* and raved about it when it came out, but I really have a feeling that an M9 will render it obsolete, or at least make it a rarely used backup camera. Believe me, it is always a want, not a need, otherwise I could still be shooting with my first old Praktika and 50mm Zeiss Jena lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 30, 2009 Posted September 30, 2009 Hi BerndReini, Take a look here A controversial thread? M9 blows the M8 out of the water.. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Bo_Lorentzen Posted September 30, 2009 Share #42 Posted September 30, 2009 Trust your judgment entirely. besides I have images of Tibor from the M8 and the M9. he definitely have more wiskers in the M9 images, that should say something. Those prints of yours were outstanding. I guess we will now have to look forward to a show based on the M9. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerndReini Posted September 30, 2009 Author Share #43 Posted September 30, 2009 Thank you very much, Bo. I hope you used the 75lux on Tibor, not the 75cron. He can be a Diva. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fsellitto Posted September 30, 2009 Share #44 Posted September 30, 2009 blah, blah......blah Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fsellitto Posted October 1, 2009 Share #45 Posted October 1, 2009 right on...plasticman... i agree completely.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted October 1, 2009 Share #46 Posted October 1, 2009 Great contribution fsellitto, for a newby. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerndReini Posted October 1, 2009 Author Share #47 Posted October 1, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) This one is a crop from Photoshop. Lightroom uprezed the file somehow to a bigger than 100% view. This appears much sharper. Keep in mind how small the eye is in the original picture. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/98452-a-controversial-thread-m9-blows-the-m8-out-of-the-water/?do=findComment&comment=1057059'>More sharing options...
j. borger Posted October 1, 2009 Share #48 Posted October 1, 2009 My M8 was fantastic. My last exhibition, which some users on this forum saw in person, was printed at 24"x16" and the prints were beautiful. I could have printed bigger with some loss of quality. The M9 will deliver the same quality at 36"x24". This is a significant improvement for me and well worth the money. This makes sense, yes, ---- if you want to print on that size on a regular base! Why did not you say so when you started the thread :D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fsellitto Posted October 1, 2009 Share #49 Posted October 1, 2009 Great contribution fsellitto, for a newby. i guess this newby is in need of a 'streetshooter' .... i wonder if winogrand, frank, and helen levitt needed one to elevate their status as great image makers...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted October 1, 2009 Share #50 Posted October 1, 2009 i guess this newby is in need of a 'streetshooter' ....i wonder if winogrand, frank, and helen levitt needed one to elevate their status as great image makers...... ...... and the relevance of that remark is................... ? ............ about as relevant as your other troll like inputs. If you really want a personal debate or confontation, go private. You know how to contact me. If you want to contribute constructively to this forum, then welcome and get on with it. Otherwise, be careful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jruffolo Posted October 1, 2009 Share #51 Posted October 1, 2009 This one is a crop from Photoshop. Lightroom uprezed the file somehow to a bigger than 100% view. This appears much sharper. Keep in mind how small the eye is in the original picture. Very nice Bernd- looks like it will make some beautiful large prints; although it's not helping my waiting for the M9 and lust for a 75 cron Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fsellitto Posted October 1, 2009 Share #52 Posted October 1, 2009 ...... and the relevance of that remark is................... ? ............ about as relevant as your other troll like inputs. If you really want a personal debate or confontation, go private. You know how to contact me. If you want to contribute constructively to this forum, then welcome and get on with it. Otherwise, be careful. point well taken mr. moderator.... i'll be careful from now on.. it was wrong of me to bring your product up that your selling on this forum... tools of an artist and their choices should be discussed elsewhere.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pklein Posted October 1, 2009 Share #53 Posted October 1, 2009 I think I will let this well-know piece of music speak for me... http://www.classicalmidi.co.uk/992gphall.mid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbet Posted October 1, 2009 Share #54 Posted October 1, 2009 I sent the pictures I took to a friend of mine. He raved about the image quality so much that I thought he was just subconsciously favoring the new camera, so I mixed in some M8 files to trick him. He was able to tell in almost every single file, which camera it was shot with. that's not too dificult considering the information is in the EXIF metadata. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerndReini Posted October 1, 2009 Author Share #55 Posted October 1, 2009 Sure, and the few he got wrong, he only threw in there to trick me. Is it so hard to believe that after three years of RnD, Leica would actually come out with a new camera, and you can actually tell a difference? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
everyman Posted October 2, 2009 Share #56 Posted October 2, 2009 Herbert, Why such a cynical remark? I am the friend that Bernd sent his M9 pictures to. It never would even have occured to me to check the EXIF metadata. I actually wanted to see if I could tell the difference. And, truthfully, it was very easy to tell the difference. The pictures from the M9 were remarkably and consistently better in their clarity, sharpness, vibrancy, dynamic range, aliveness and color. They have what I have come to call the X factor. Yes, I am one guy. Yes, it is only my opinion. Yes, this is anecdotal. But the pictures took my breath away. By the way, nothing Bernd has posted on this forum comes close to showing what those pictures look like. I do not know why that is. But I am not that impressed with his posts here. When I look at them in the emails he sent me, they look very very different then they do on this site. The guy with the hat, for instance, is so incredible when I look at it in Aperture, I am at a loss to describe it. I have an M8. Bernd's been sending me his M8 pictures since the day he got his camera. The M9 pictures do exactly what he says they do. Let me put it this way. There was no way I was going to buy an M9. Financially it is difficult for me. And I did not think the image quality would be that much better than the M8. The next morning, after viewing Bernd's emails, I called my dealer and put my name on his M9 list. Here is what Michael Reichmann just said in his new M9 review: "In the case of the M9 I have no doubt that the combination of the sensor and Leica M lenses is producing image quality that is easily equal to the best that I've ever seen for any camera with the exception of 39MP and 60MP medium format backs, which are also CCD based devices without AA filters. And yes, this includes the Canon 1Ds MKIII and Nikon D3x." I must say I am surprised and disappointed in seeing so many people being so cynical and unkind here. To me, this is a major step forward for Leica. I would hope they did something very special with the M9. Why are so many of you having such a difficult time accepting the fact that maybe, just maybe, Leica hit this one out of the park? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceflynn Posted October 2, 2009 Share #57 Posted October 2, 2009 Try to keep in mind the observation made by a friend of mine, Debbie the Bad Therapist, which I use to entertain representatives of photographic companies if I have to call them for tech support: "Photography is a field dominated by posturing." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo_Lorentzen Posted October 2, 2009 Share #58 Posted October 2, 2009 Everyman, good post. This seems as much as a no-brainer as anything, I have no doubt that if we did trim the images from the M9 by 1.3x we would maybe have fairly matching images... but why would anyone do that. There is a bizarre amount of pixel peeping and second guessing cameras which none of the detractors actually own so far.. I have noticed pretty much every single guy to get his M9 is thrilled. I have yet to hear anyone say "darn this camera was really not what I hoped for" Personally I DO have a BIG FREAKING PROBLEM with the M9...... where is mine..? . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
everyman Posted October 2, 2009 Share #59 Posted October 2, 2009 Bo. Thanks so much for that. Very true. Greatly appreciated. YES. I know what you mean. I am on the lowest rung of my dealer's list because I waited so long before ordering. I see you ordered the silver. So did I. That Stephan Daniel interview sold me on it. I read Leica is making 4:1 black to silver. So I have a very long wait ahead of me. But I am determined. I think you will get yours way before mine. Thanks again. Rich Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lieberdavid Posted October 3, 2009 Share #60 Posted October 3, 2009 Hi Everyone, As a film user I am considering starting a new thread entitled: "The M7 Blows the M9 Out of the Water". Please,don't anyone get angry: this is meant as a JOKE! Cheers! David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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