ptarmigan Posted September 27, 2009 Share #1 Posted September 27, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Now that I'm sorted with 35mm and 75mm cron ASPHs I'm going to be looking for something wider. I am concerned, being very new to RFs, about using a separate finder and also as a specs wearer, I can barely see the 35mm frame lines. Possibly 28mm will not be wide enough. So, the 21 and 28's will need a finder, yes? How easy are they to use? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 27, 2009 Posted September 27, 2009 Hi ptarmigan, Take a look here 21, 24 or 28mm lens to go with 35 and 75. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Nicoleica Posted September 27, 2009 Share #2 Posted September 27, 2009 Hi Ian, You can use a 24mm lens without needing an external finder. If you want a compact 24mm, then the new f:3.8 Elmar is certainly worth consideration. It's one sharp lens! (And by Leica standards, pretty cheap too.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljclark Posted September 27, 2009 Share #3 Posted September 27, 2009 If you like a wider spread between lenses, the 21mm would be an idea, but you'll need an external finder. The 28mm is pretty close to 35mm and I don't think you'd see an advantage. On the other hand, a lot of people here like the 28mm on the M8 as a "single" lens (if they were going to step out with just one lens the the camera). The 28 will not need an external finder. The Zeiss 25mm is wicked sharp -- I really, really like it. I keep this lens on my M8 a lot. 24/25mm lenses on the M8 don't need a finder. A three lens kit for my M8 is typically 25/35/50. If I extend it to 5 lenses, then it's 15/25/35/50/75. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptarmigan Posted September 28, 2009 Author Share #4 Posted September 28, 2009 Thanks, didn't realise that I wouldn't need a finder with the 24. I'd not thought of looking at 'non' Leica options. Both my M lenses have been sourced S/H - don't believe in buying lenses new (most of my Nikon Lens gear is pre-owned too) but I will look at the Zeiss 25mm and maybe Voigtlander have something I should consider? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danyves Posted September 28, 2009 Share #5 Posted September 28, 2009 Or second hand Elmarit 2.8/24mm ASPH, a fantastic lens. DGives 32mm on M8. My sole and only lens now on the M8. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danyves Posted September 28, 2009 Share #6 Posted September 28, 2009 Second hand Elmarit 2.8/24mm ASPH in France : summilux.net :: Voir le sujet - Summilux 75 - Elmarit 24 1250 Euros avec filtre IR + frais de port Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljclark Posted September 28, 2009 Share #7 Posted September 28, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Thanks, didn't realise that I wouldn't need a finder with the 24. I'd not thought of looking at 'non' Leica options. Both my M lenses have been sourced S/H - don't believe in buying lenses new (most of my Nikon Lens gear is pre-owned too) but I will look at the Zeiss 25mm and maybe Voigtlander have something I should consider? Before you get too far along with your lens purchases (new or pre-owned) you might consider a subscription to Sean Reid's Reid Reviews. Sean is about the only person who performs consistent reviews and multi-lens comparison tests on RF lenses. He not a instrumentation guy -- his reviews are subjective, but they are consistently subjective so you'll see the same test setups and interpretations across multiple tests. He is a regular participant in this forum. It is a pay site, but in my case, I figure my two or three years of subscriptions have likely saved the cost of a lens in terms of mistakes avoided. It is good to consider suggestions of other users, but people here also tend to be advocates (present company included). Having another source -- and one with results you can see and compare -- is quite helpful. And getting back to advocacy: I wouldn't trade my Zeiss 25mm f/2.8 for any Leica 24mm. Well..Maybe I would, but I'd go right out and buy another Zeiss 25. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
batmobile Posted September 28, 2009 Share #8 Posted September 28, 2009 if you are happy with an accessory finder, a 24/25 IMHO. however, I chose 28 and find them different enough to shoot mostly two bodies, one with 35 and one 28. There's a wide feel with a 28 and quite a bit of perspective pull in close that is missing with 35. Just like there are plenty of 5x4 users out there with 90 and 120! 21-35 = big leap. If 28 is wide enough, get a 28 bec you will have framelines with that on a 0.72 body, ZI etc. 24-35 is a good natural spacing in my use tho and I would prob shoot 24 if my 0.72 bodies had lines for it, but they dont. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spylaw4 Posted September 28, 2009 Share #9 Posted September 28, 2009 I would endorse Nicole's recommendation of the new 24/3.8 ASPH. A brilliant lens which on the M8/8.2 does not need a viewfinder.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wstotler Posted September 28, 2009 Share #10 Posted September 28, 2009 Before you get too far along with your lens purchases (new or pre-owned) you might consider a subscription to Sean Reid's Reid Reviews. . . . It is a pay site, but in my case, I figure my two or three years of subscriptions have likely saved the cost of a lens in terms of mistakes avoided. It is good to consider suggestions of other users, but people here also tend to be advocates (present company included). +1!! Absolutely true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptarmigan Posted September 28, 2009 Author Share #11 Posted September 28, 2009 Before you get too far along with your lens purchases (new or pre-owned) you might consider a subscription to Sean Reid's Reid Reviews. Sean is about the only person who performs consistent reviews and multi-lens comparison tests on RF lenses. He not a instrumentation guy -- his reviews are subjective, but they are consistently subjective so you'll see the same test setups and interpretations across multiple tests. He is a regular participant in this forum. Yeh, I'm on my second subscription but I wanted a wider range of opinion than just his. I would endorse Nicole's recommendation of the new 24/3.8 ASPH. A brilliant lens which on the M8/8.2 does not need a viewfinder.. How will I manage with specs though? Is the 24 the one visible 'outside' and paired with the 35 on the M8?≈ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted September 28, 2009 Share #12 Posted September 28, 2009 How will I manage with specs though? Is the 24 the one visible 'outside' and paired with the 35 on the M8?≈ Specs is a problem... I purchased the correction lens so I can work with out glasses... It allows me to see the 24mm lines. But I still have to take my glasses off to shoot... I wonder how SLR folks work with glasses, since you still have the limited FOV from within the viewer it's self? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptarmigan Posted September 28, 2009 Author Share #13 Posted September 28, 2009 Specs is a problem... I purchased the correction lens so I can work with out glasses... It allows me to see the 24mm lines. But I still have to take my glasses off to shoot... I wonder how SLR folks work with glasses, since you still have the limited FOV from within the viewer it's self? I use a D2x and that a pain for all lenses obviously but I guess I have learned to live with it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted September 28, 2009 Share #14 Posted September 28, 2009 I use a D2x and that a pain for all lenses obviously but I guess I have learned to live with it I use a 24mm on my M8... when I wear my glasses I just guess the frame... but after a while you get used to it. Now I don't even bother with the fankenfinder for my Tri-Elmar in 16mm... I kind of just see it in my mind... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampguy Posted September 29, 2009 Share #15 Posted September 29, 2009 I use a 21 with M8 original without a finder and without glasses (but with M diopter). The FOV for 21 at distances is slightly greater than the whole VF. With a 15, I could not accurately compose without a VF, and used a 21 finder, but the 21 lens is working out OK without finder -- for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted September 29, 2009 Share #16 Posted September 29, 2009 I wear glasses, and the widest frame lines I can comfortably see on the M8.2 are for the 28. I could, if needed, approximate boundaries if I used a 24, which I don't. If you want to use a 24, you might consider a .85 magnifier such as this from Tim Isaac... match Technical Services - E-Clypse EyeCup MAG. I haven't used it, but this would theoretically be similar to having a .58 finder in the M8 (.85 x.68). Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted September 29, 2009 Share #17 Posted September 29, 2009 There are two issues : wearing spectacles and 35 as your shortest - you haven't a wide: in this situation, I would advice for a 21: a "real" wideangle for which an external Viewfinder in seldom a hassle (you can often guess focus given good DOF) : two alternatives with different prices and size: Leica 21 asph and CV 21 f4, with CV 28mm viewfinder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
misha Posted September 29, 2009 Share #18 Posted September 29, 2009 24mm or 28mm, not 21mm fov 28 and 47 (what you would have with 21mm and 35mm) is a huge gap. cheers misha PHOTOGRAPHY BY MISHA FRIEDMAN Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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