punktum Posted September 23, 2009 Share #1 Posted September 23, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Now that the M9 is out, I took my M8 off the shelve just to find out the back wheel is not working properly. Again to service for the xxx time. Lucky, I still have warranty. This time I decided not to jump into the cold water, like I did it with my M8´s. I don´t want to run to all the hussel again. I´m not going to order a M9 in the next 6 month. So how is the M9 doing? What we know: The IR issue is solved. One step more concerning noise, maybe two. For the brave ones, what I like to know and I´m talking about DNG files here: How is the FF sensor doing with the wide angel lenses OPEN apeture at the corners? How is the sharpness there, any vignetting? Any WATE experience there? How is the M9 processor handling the amount of data? Too slow or fast? Any breakdowns? How reliable is it? I couldn´t find out how many images per second the M9 does? The M8 has trouble with the higlights. Is that solved with the M9? Is the uncompressed DNG file really improving the dynamic range? I´m just suspicious this time. Thank´s for your experience! Frank Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted September 23, 2009 Share #2 Posted September 23, 2009 I have, so far, just a few shots with the Summilux 24. But the camera has no trouble at all in the corners. The bit depth/compression has nothing to do with dynamic range. It seems to me to be about a stop better on the M9, but any medium will have a limited dynamic range. With slide film it is very narrow, with digital cameras quite good and with slow B&W film exceedingly good. As a digital camera, th M9 is amongst the very best, with the M8 rather good., imho. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verners Posted September 23, 2009 Share #3 Posted September 23, 2009 Most of the questions are already answered in different recent threads. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
punktum Posted September 23, 2009 Author Share #4 Posted September 23, 2009 Most of the questions are already answered in different recent threads. No Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted September 23, 2009 Share #5 Posted September 23, 2009 Now that the M9 is out, I took my M8 off the shelve just to find out the back wheel is not working properly. Again to service for the xxx time. Lucky, I still have warranty. This time I decided not to jump into the cold water, like I did it with my M8´s. I don´t want to run to all the hussel again. I´m not going to order a M9 in the next 6 month. So how is the M9 doing? From all reports there is still bugs in the camera but people seem to like the images. The IR issue is solved. Not all of it. One step more concerning noise, maybe two. Maybe but the images do look cleaner at higher ISO. For the brave ones, what I like to know and I´m talking about DNG files here: How is the FF sensor doing with the wide angel lenses OPEN apeture at the corners? How is the sharpness there, any vignetting? Any WATE experience there? Better left to someone that own the M9. How is the M9 processor handling the amount of data? Too slow or fast? Just as slow as the M8 but it does handle larger files. From what I've read the DNG+JPG file handling is as slow as the M8 also. And the card formatting time is greatly increased. Might be corrected with firmware update. Any breakdowns? How reliable is it? The camera is now 2 weeks old. Lets wait and see. I think Leica has the SDS problem solved on all the digital M's. I couldn´t find out how many images per second the M9 does? Have you bother to download and read the instructions, Tech Data and FAQ PFD's from the Leica website??? It tells you all you need to know. The M8 has trouble with the higlights. Is that solved with the M9? Is the uncompressed DNG file really improving the dynamic range? I´m just suspicious this time. Thank´s for your experience! Frank Never saw problems with highlights on my M8's, that is if I expose the images correctly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 23, 2009 Share #6 Posted September 23, 2009 NoWell, I beg to differ.. Most, if not all of your questions have been adressed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
punktum Posted September 23, 2009 Author Share #7 Posted September 23, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well, I beg to differ.. Most, if not all of your questions have been adressed. Help me out. Where can I find proper 16mm WATE samples at open apeture. Not with the keywords For me this is a significant point. Is the sensor holding its promises, or do I have to play it away in the postproduction like it has to be done with the canon´s and nikon´s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
punktum Posted September 23, 2009 Author Share #8 Posted September 23, 2009 Not all of it.. . dpreview has a different opinion. How come you think it´s still there? When I look at the images around here some appear a little mangenta to me. Is this just the poor Adobe RAW converter? One of the reasons I use C1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
punktum Posted September 23, 2009 Author Share #9 Posted September 23, 2009 Have you bother to download and read the instructions, Tech Data and FAQ PFD's from the Leica website??? It tells you all you need to know. Maybe yours is defferent than my one? They only mention 8 in a row. Not more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted September 23, 2009 Share #10 Posted September 23, 2009 It seems to me to be about a stop better on the M9 Is there anything about the M9 which isn't "about a stop better" than the M8? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mby Posted September 23, 2009 Share #11 Posted September 23, 2009 Is there anything about the M9 which isn't "about a stop better" than the M8? The price... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankbernhard Posted September 23, 2009 Share #12 Posted September 23, 2009 Help me out. Where can I find proper 16mm WATE samples at open apeture. Not with the keywords For me this is a significant point. Is the sensor holding its promises, or do I have to play it away in the postproduction like it has to be done with the canon´s and nikon´s. Have a look at the luminous landscape interview with Stephan Daniel. He adresses the ir-thing and also the wate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted September 23, 2009 Share #13 Posted September 23, 2009 Maybe yours is defferent than my one? They only mention 8 in a row. Not more. Not sure where you're looking but right in the Tech Specs PDF. Series exposures Approx. 2 pictures/s, ≤ 8 pictures in series. That is why I asked if you had downloaded them and looked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vish Posted September 24, 2009 Share #14 Posted September 24, 2009 Based on a week's use so far, it's difficult to say that all the improvements I see between my Canon and the Leica are not down to the optics - a Zeiss 50mm Planar. The detail and clarity are excellent, with sharpness and resolution on a different level to the Canon 5DII and the few lenses I use. Vignetting is non-existent, edge-to-edge sharpness is excellent, chromatic abberation is excellent... and most of those are down to the lens, really. I'm not going to bother comparing noise levels - the Canon is off the charts as far as I am concerned, and so long as the Leica noise is not unattractive, I won't complain. The M8 under any kind of stress, was not a high performance camera in terms of image quality, but so far, the M9 is definitely a contender. Don't think I can leave the Canon at home for the next project but I will do a proper head-to-head test as soon as I can and post the results up on my blog... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
punktum Posted September 24, 2009 Author Share #15 Posted September 24, 2009 Have a look at the luminous landscape interview with Stephan Daniel. He adresses the ir-thing and also the wate. Do you always believe what the salesman is telling you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 24, 2009 Share #16 Posted September 24, 2009 As I posted elsewhere about the Summilux 24, the camera cannot be faulted. The images from the 24 show no falloff, and are sharp to the corners. Given that the WATE is an excellent performer on film, I fail to see why it should not be on a full format sensor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
punktum Posted September 24, 2009 Author Share #17 Posted September 24, 2009 The detail and clarity are excellent, with sharpness and resolution on a different level to the Canon 5DII and the few lenses I use. Vignetting is non-existent, edge-to-edge sharpness is excellent, chromatic abberation is excellent... and most of those are down to the lens, really. Sounds good. Which wide angle lense did you try? Did you try it wide open. I´m really courios about your expereience, since I shoot my jobs with Canon too. This confirms my past experience, the lenses are the best available, and the M9 seems to reproduce this, which the M8 could not. The M8 sensor was just not state of the art. Would you say, except from the noise issue, the M9 is? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
punktum Posted September 24, 2009 Author Share #18 Posted September 24, 2009 As I posted elsewhere about the Summilux 24, the camera cannot be faulted. The images from the 24 show no falloff, and are sharp to the corners. Given that the WATE is an excellent performer on film, I fail to see why it should not be on a full format sensor. Sorry, but film and sensor are different things. Otherwise the M8 would have had a FF Sensor. Didn´t Leica told us how diffucult it was to built a sensor that handels the wide angel lenses properly? I´m just curious an waiting if somebody shows up with the perfect WATE images... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 24, 2009 Share #19 Posted September 24, 2009 It will come.. early days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhoersch Posted September 24, 2009 Share #20 Posted September 24, 2009 As I posted elsewhere about the Summilux 24, the camera cannot be faulted. The images from the 24 show no falloff, and are sharp to the corners. Given that the WATE is an excellent performer on film, I fail to see why it should not be on a full format sensor. That really surprises me very much. In one of the recent LFI issues there was a comparative test of several wide angles, including the 24 lux, on film and the M8, and it showed rather severe vignetting and pronounced fuzziness in the corners on the film images. Can the M9 correct unsharp corners via software? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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