andalus Posted September 23, 2009 Share #1 Posted September 23, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have an Elmar 24mm lens. Mounted on the M9, I know I won't see a 24mm frame. But what frames will I see with that coded lens mounted? Just curious. I amagine of 28mm is shown, that's a decent approximation of what my shot will encompass. Any thoughts? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 23, 2009 Posted September 23, 2009 Hi andalus, Take a look here What framelines for 24 mm Elamr on M9??. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
marknorton Posted September 23, 2009 Share #2 Posted September 23, 2009 You'll see the 35 and 135mm frames. The framelines are set according to the length of one of the bayonet flanges, nothing to do with the lens code. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted September 23, 2009 Share #3 Posted September 23, 2009 The 28mm frame will not show anything like the true 24mm field of view. If you want to continue using the lens, get an accessory 24 or 25mm finder. I recommend Zeiss, optically and mechanically excellent and half the price of a Leica finder. The old man from the Age of 'Brilliant' Finders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgio Posted September 23, 2009 Share #4 Posted September 23, 2009 Or the D-Lux 4 finder, that's affordable; and let's face it, the finder is only to set the picture, adjusting needs to be done thru the camera finder. GEO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spylaw4 Posted September 23, 2009 Share #5 Posted September 23, 2009 I find using an accesssory finder is a real pain in the proverbial.... It's one reason why I am hesitating about going M9 as I use the 24 Elmar quite a lot. There are of course other pros and cons! BTW - does the 28mm frame line require a longer or a shorter flange? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 23, 2009 Share #6 Posted September 23, 2009 I find that the edge of the finder is a fair match for the 24. The edge is further from the 28 lines than the edge of the M8u finder from the 24 lines if you get my meaning. You have to move your eye around a bit more though to see the edges. I will only be using a finder in critical situations.(the CV 24 or the Leica 21-24-28) In general I find the framelines very pleasant, especially the 50/75 pair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted September 23, 2009 Share #7 Posted September 23, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I find that the edge of the finder is a fair match for the 24. The edge is further from the 28 lines than the edge of the M8u finder from the 24 lines if you get my meaning. You have to move your eye around a bit more though to see the edges. I will only be using a finder in critical situations.(the CV 24 or the Leica 21-24-28)In general I find the framelines very pleasant, especially the 50/75 pair. Good to know. I will be doing the same thing, except I have the Frankenfinder... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
63strat Posted September 23, 2009 Share #8 Posted September 23, 2009 So, am I right in thinking that with the 24, if you're stubborn and prefer to not use an external viewer, you can pay no attention to the frame lines and use edge of the finder as a rough guide, with the understanding that you're seeing almost the entire FOV? I'm strongly considering the 24lux but don't want to work with an external viewer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted September 23, 2009 Share #9 Posted September 23, 2009 So, am I right in thinking that with the 24, if you're stubborn and prefer to not use an external viewer, you can pay no attention to the frame lines and use edge of the finder as a rough guide, with the understanding that you're seeing almost the entire FOV? I'm strongly considering the 24lux but don't want to work with an external viewer. I really don't think that is true. Since the M9 uses the same viewfinder as the M8 at the same magnification, x.68, and that with 21mm lens, EFOV of a 28mm lens, attached to the M8 the whole viewfinder did not show all of what was captured by the sensor. How can it even come close to showing what will be captured by the M9 sensor with the 24mm lens. From what I've heard the framelines for the 28mm lens on the M9 are just about at the edges of what you can see and does not cover what is really captured. And don't forget that using the whole viewfinder will not give you any parallax correction. It may be OK for distant subjects but close up your framing will be way off. What is captured will be low and to the right of what you see through the viewfinder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
63strat Posted September 23, 2009 Share #10 Posted September 23, 2009 And don't forget that using the whole viewfinder will not give you any parallax correction. It may be OK for distant subjects but close up your framing will be way off. What is captured will be low and to the right of what you see through the viewfinder. Ah, thanks, that would be a deal breaker right there... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravastar Posted September 23, 2009 Share #11 Posted September 23, 2009 Two things concern me about using a 24mm lens on the M9. 1. Do you need an external viewfinder. 2. If you use an external finder and work at f 1.4 is the body movement when you change from focusing the camera to viewing through the external finder a problem due to limited depth of field. I've used the 24mm Elmarit ASPH and tried a 24mm Summilux on the M9. In both cases I found it was just about possible to use the camera viewfinder, albeit with some reservations. The difficulty is you cannot see the edges of the field of view without looking very obliquely through the camera viewfinder, first one side and then the other. You have to look beyond the edge of the built in rectangular mask. It's fairly accurate but not a fast working solution. In addition you obviously don't get to see anything beyond the edges of the frame so people can walk into the shot without warning. In fact that is likely to happen since when you look straight through the camera you can't see around either edge of the mask. If you wear glasses there's no chance of this method working. The second question I'm not sure of the answer, I've only tried the Summilux in the UK Leica showroom so I'll have to wait for other users to report. Framing with the built in camera viewfinder was slow but quite accurate at the distance involved. The attached picture was taken in the Mayfair showroom @f/1.4 and is a good representation of what was seen at the very edges of the finder. Some people may find working with the camera finder unacceptable - try before you buy! Bob. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/97796-what-framelines-for-24-mm-elamr-on-m9/?do=findComment&comment=1047915'>More sharing options...
henning Posted September 23, 2009 Share #12 Posted September 23, 2009 I find using an accesssory finder is a real pain in the proverbial.... It's one reason why I am hesitating about going M9 as I use the 24 Elmar quite a lot. There are of course other pros and cons! BTW - does the 28mm frame line require a longer or a shorter flange? The 28/90 pair has the longest flange, the 50/75 mid and the 35/135 pair has the shortest flange. Regarding using the camera finder vs. an external finder; I have a 21 Summilux on my M8's and use an external finder (28 Leica metal finder and sometimes a CV minifinder or Frankenfinder) and have not noted any focussing problems. I've used external finders for a long time, and while there is no denying that a coupled range/viewfinder with parallax and FOV correction is ideal, the external finder can work quite well when/if you get used to it. I haven't handled an M9 but considering that the M8 with the 24 lines which approximate a 32mm FOV on the M9 is unusable for me with glasses, and problematic without I'd pass on using the M9/24mm combo without an external finder. That, to me, is way more hassle than using a decent external finder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicaiste Posted September 23, 2009 Share #13 Posted September 23, 2009 I find that the edge of the finder is a fair match for the 24. The edge is further from the 28 lines than the edge of the M8u finder from the 24 lines if you get my meaning. You have to move your eye around a bit more though to see the edges. I will only be using a finder in critical situations.(the CV 24 or the Leica 21-24-28)In general I find the framelines very pleasant, especially the 50/75 pair. Just stick some masking tape on the illumination window of the camera and all the framelines will disappear from the viewfinder. Lucien Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 24, 2009 Share #14 Posted September 24, 2009 I really don't think that is true. Since the M9 uses the same viewfinder as the M8 at the same magnification, x.68, and that with 21mm lens, EFOV of a 28mm lens, attached to the M8 the whole viewfinder did not show all of what was captured by the sensor. How can it even come close to showing what will be captured by the M9 sensor with the 24mm lens.From what I've heard the framelines for the 28mm lens on the M9 are just about at the edges of what you can see and does not cover what is really captured. And don't forget that using the whole viewfinder will not give you any parallax correction. It may be OK for distant subjects but close up your framing will be way off. What is captured will be low and to the right of what you see through the viewfinder. Well, looking through the viewfinder right now, it is true. The framelines of the 28 are approximately in the same position as the 24 lines in the M8 too, because of the difference of crop. I think the explanation is that, as I noted earlier, one has to move the eye around more on the M9/24 to get the approximation of the FOV than with the 21 on the M8.You are correct about parallax correction though. The parallax argument holds true for an external finder as well. The extra marking can only be a rough approximation. I do find, btw., that I tend to use an external finder sooner on the M9. Not much of a problem on a wideangle for shifting position, just be a bit careful at 1.4, or frame first and focus later, if possible with the composition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpleica Posted November 6, 2009 Share #15 Posted November 6, 2009 Just stick some masking tape on the illumination window of the camera and all the framelines will disappear from the viewfinder. Lucien Lucien, That is a simple and elegant solution. I got my M9 on Monday this week (after waiting since early August), and I was worried my 24 Elmar would be useless without an external viewfinder. The annoying framelines of the 35 and 135 are gone with your tape idea, and what you're left with is a viewfinder that is about as close to the 24mm's fov as the 28mm's framelines are accurate for the 28mm (in other words, you get a bit more than framed. Thanks for the tip. Geoffrey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sclamb Posted November 6, 2009 Share #16 Posted November 6, 2009 Two things concern me about using a 24mm lens on the M9. 2. If you use an external finder and work at f 1.4 is the body movement when you change from focusing the camera to viewing through the external finder a problem due to limited depth of field. Bob. You need to do it the other way round. Frame the shot and note where the centre of the picture is. Then focus (or focus and recompose if the subject wont be in the centre) but make sure the patch is over the centre that you noted. If you do it the other way round you may lose the focus. Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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