jonoslack Posted October 7, 2009 Author Share #61 Posted October 7, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Sorry for my persistence, it's not meant to be nasty, but again: M9, part4 At the bottom I see all cyan images, with ZM lenses. It's not just the corners, which was already known with the M8 I just think that this deserves attention from Leica, which must be corrigeable with new firmware imho. Hi There I'm not taking it nastily - these things are worth discussing. As for Mr. Puts pictures they certainly are all cyan . . . but I'm not getting cyan images when taking pictures of white objects. If other people were getting this sort of colour they would be screaming. I can only assume that Mr Puts even light source was cyan . . or that the white balance was not set properly. More to the point is that you can easily see the drift to cyan in uncorrected files (proving the necessity for the software). Looking back to Page 3 of his report, and his remarks about colour - it seems to me that he simply has the White balance wrong - surely he wasn't using AWB for test purposes was he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 7, 2009 Posted October 7, 2009 Hi jonoslack, Take a look here Two weeks with the M9 in Crete. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jonoslack Posted October 7, 2009 Author Share #62 Posted October 7, 2009 Well that's equivalent to the difference between 1:2.8 and 1:2.0. And when deciding for and against a new lens, most people do feel this is a difference that can make a difference! The old man from the Age of the 3.5 Elmar HI Lars and Sean my feeling exactly, and an f2 to an f1.4, which may be even more relevant. (for instance, the 21 'lux on the M8 would be equivalent to the 28 'cron on the M9), that saves a bob or two! And where it's 1.5 stops it'll turn you Elmar into a 'cron! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Googaliser Posted October 10, 2009 Share #63 Posted October 10, 2009 Jono, Thank you for sharing - some wonderful images. I've followed this forum for a while - and whilst I enjoy equipment discussion - your images compelled me to post - since that's what photography is all about. I will follow your website with interest - it has already given me inspiration. Rgds Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted October 11, 2009 Author Share #64 Posted October 11, 2009 Jono,Thank you for sharing - some wonderful images. I've followed this forum for a while - and whilst I enjoy equipment discussion - your images compelled me to post - since that's what photography is all about. I will follow your website with interest - it has already given me inspiration. Rgds HI There Thank you! I'm flattered to be the subject of your first post. Glad you enjoyed the shots, there will be more Oh Yes! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted October 11, 2009 Share #65 Posted October 11, 2009 Jonathan, and Sean (pardon the familiarity ...) -- you have been doing good work, and lots of it, for the benefit of us all. I listen to you with special interest because you are practical, working photographers, though of the uncommon kind that can actually spell the names of their gear while it is standing on the table before them ... I read Puts with interest, but with a lot of scepticism, because I have come to know his idiosyncrasies. His contention about the cyan drift inherent in glass in general is nonsense, of course, because that depends on the colour transmission properties of the specific glass in question. The 1.0 Noctilux drifted in a yellow direction. And I am completely with Jonathan on the question of the 'auto reverse to auto', and will no doubt be it even more when my M9 arrives. We do enough silly mistakes, without any need to be led into even more of them. The old man from the Age of the 3.5 cm Elmar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted October 11, 2009 Author Share #66 Posted October 11, 2009 Jonathan, and Sean (pardon the familiarity ...) -- you have been doing good work, and lots of it, for the benefit of us all. I listen to you with special interest because you are practical, working photographers, though of the uncommon kind that can actually spell the names of their gear while it is standing on the table before them ... I read Puts with interest, but with a lot of scepticism, because I have come to know his idiosyncrasies. His contention about the cyan drift inherent in glass in general is nonsense, of course, because that depends on the colour transmission properties of the specific glass in question. The 1.0 Noctilux drifted in a yellow direction. And I am completely with Jonathan on the question of the 'auto reverse to auto', and will no doubt be it even more when my M9 arrives. We do enough silly mistakes, without any need to be led into even more of them. The old man from the Age of the 3.5 cm Elmar HI Lars I'm flattered - but you mustn't put me in the same bag as Sean (except, possibly, with respect to our skill at spelling!). He is an experienced reviewer, and he earns at least a part of his income from it (quite deservedly). In testing the camera, I was working for Leica, and so, of course we have different allegiances. As far as I'm aware, I've been completely honest in what I've written, but the intention was to give people an idea of what the camera was like, and what it could do for them, rather than providing a critique (any problems I found were reported to Leica). Sean's responsibility is to his readers, not to Leica, any problems he finds are reported to us, the users! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.j.z Posted October 11, 2009 Share #67 Posted October 11, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Some nice pictures. My favourite is 73. It appears that the camera does deal with strong contrast quite well - or is this due to post processing? thank you - it was the WATE - lovely on the M9 Sorry for my ignorance but what lens is the WATE Best, Andreas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted October 11, 2009 Share #68 Posted October 11, 2009 WATE is a name invented in this forum, and means Wide Angle Tri-Elmar, i.e. the 16-18-21mm f/4. Similarly, the normal Tri-Elmar is nick-named MATE, Medium (or Mid) Angle Tri-Elmar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted October 11, 2009 Author Share #69 Posted October 11, 2009 Some nice pictures. My favourite is 73. It appears that the camera does deal with strong contrast quite well - or is this due to post processing? Sorry for my ignorance but what lens is the WATE Best, Andreas HI Andreas, and welcome to the forum. Funny isn't it, the shot taken in impossible circumstances (all lighting by those little candles called 'tea lights', ISO 2500 and 3 stops under-exposed) is everybody's favorite! Carsten has done an excellent WATE/MATE definition (thank you Carsten) - the finder which comes with the WideAngleTri-Elmar, has been named the Frankenfinder, because it's so ugly, but on the other hand it is a wonderful thing! the camera is fine with strong contrast - of course, one has to be careful not to over-expose, as is the case with all cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.j.z Posted October 11, 2009 Share #70 Posted October 11, 2009 Thanks for the answers and the welcome! HI Andreas, and welcome to the forum.Funny isn't it, the shot taken in impossible circumstances (all lighting by those little candles called 'tea lights', ISO 2500 and 3 stops under-exposed) is everybody's favorite!..... No I refered to 73: cretem9 - L9944611 (I would be surprised if you did the lighting in this one with tea lights ) Andreas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted October 11, 2009 Share #71 Posted October 11, 2009 Jonathan, and Sean (pardon the familiarity ...) -- you have been doing good work, and lots of it, for the benefit of us all. I listen to you with special interest because you are practical, working photographers, though of the uncommon kind that can actually spell the names of their gear while it is standing on the table before them ... Thanks very much Lars. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick_dykstra Posted October 12, 2009 Share #72 Posted October 12, 2009 With the sunbathing one - geez the sand's a bit course there in Crete. Nice shot. Did the fella chase you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bixi Posted October 12, 2009 Share #73 Posted October 12, 2009 Thanks for the answers and the welcome! No I refered to 73: cretem9 - L9944611 (I would be surprised if you did the lighting in this one with tea lights ) Andreas Wow. Image 73 is is increadible. Great shot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted October 12, 2009 Author Share #74 Posted October 12, 2009 With the sunbathing one - geez the sand's a bit course there in Crete. Nice shot. Did the fella chase you? Hi Rick The dress code around there is a little casual anyway, but I know most of the people, and so I don't take too many shots on the beach, I thought this one was fun because it looked surreptitious, and I thought it was funny. As for the sand - yep, course! I grew up on sandy beaches, and although they're more comfortable to lie on, it's great not to get sand in everything . .. if you see what I mean. Wow. Image 73 is is increadible. Great shot. Thank you Bixi - the M9 is good for landscapes (even one's lit with tealights!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted October 12, 2009 Author Share #75 Posted October 12, 2009 With the sunbathing one - geez the sand's a bit course there in Crete. Nice shot. Did the fella chase you? Hi Rick The dress code around there is a little casual anyway, but I know most of the people, and so I don't take too many shots on the beach, I thought this one was fun because it looked surreptitious, and I thought it was funny. As for the sand - yep, course! I grew up on sandy beaches, and although they're more comfortable to lie on, it's great not to get sand in everything . .. if you see what I mean. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted October 12, 2009 Share #76 Posted October 12, 2009 Puts in his M9 test: " It is logical too as the thicker glass forces the rays to follow a longer path through the glass and this reduces contrast and shifts color balance to cyan. " M9, part3 In Puts'defense, he is well aware that the cover glass in the M8 and M9 is tinted green as a result of also being the IR filter. So I don't think he is claiming that cyan corners are a consequence of passing light through glassy SiO2. scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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